Skill Discussions

This is what happens when they hire ship developers from PL :)

While they're at it can they reduce Cap Ships V.. About to train it, and already did the 72 day stretch on another alt.

Thxs.

/if/ all they do is play with bay sizes, speeds and so on, there will be a limited number of ships flown.

However, they have other options.

Optimize one for tractor beam usage, and give it an ore bay. Now you have a mini orca (cheaper, doesn't move like such a pig. Hopefully they'll play with bay sizes a bit too)

Give one a fitting service.

and so on.

This is why devs hate putting out devblogs so early before a feature, because people freak out over nothing. "Oh my god, some feature we don't have all the details about, is going to do something we're not sure about yet, sometime in the future!"

Hopefully something like this with all races ending up with 5 choices, optimized for speed or cargo or survivability, ore haulers, fleet hanger - that type of thing. Just have to wait and see

I don't think anyone is complaining about a noob being able to fly the Orca. What people are complaining about here is their investment in training time being wasted by CCP. The fact that it took the better part of 2mos to train is time we can never get back. That's real time. Frankly, I would like to reallocate that training time since it means every new toon can now spend almost 2 mos training something else.

How many players out there wouldn't buy SP if it was MTable? SP is valuable given the amount of time is require to fly some of these ships, including the Orca. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect CCP to compensate players with SP, even discounted. I've got 2 toons that fly the Orca. That's a lot of invested time that could have been spent training other things. I would like to be compensated.

I don't mind the skill requirement changes, and much of what I wanted to say has already been said. But I'm going to look into my crystal ball and try to predict what will happen to the industrials:

# The CPU will be cut down significantly. As some of you know, T1 industrials have more CPU than they know what to do with, which has led to Industrials becoming ECM boats and other somewhat bizarro fittings. From what I remember, this was part of some old plan of CCP's to give Industrials a secondary role involving some CPU-intensive module that I can't remember the name of right now.

# One industrial hull will focus on speed and agility, and one on cargo volume. This is pretty much a given. The question is if any further varieties are called upon, or even needed.

One of the following will happen:

# They'll add a new industrial ship for the Amarr and Caldari, with the intent of fulfilling a specific task or role, and to leave open a hull for a T2 variant in the future.

# They'll retire the Hoarder for the Minmatar, as well as the Mark I, Mark III and the Mark V for the Gallente. The Mark II and the Mark IV are used for the Transport Ships, so they won't go, but the other three do not have T2 variants.

In all likelyhood, some of the Iteron hulls will be retired... if CCP can actually do that. It wouldn't surprise me if they're willing to do that, but unable due to the complexity of the operation. Which makes the former option a more viable choice.

meh, I fly and itty V and i am okay with the changes. I like the path after the change since it will be clearer for me how to get into sub-cap ships.

For me I like the idea of being able to train for an Orca without having to have a lot of mining skills. I like that indy/haulers have a ship between the freighter that they can train for without having to spend time on mining skills we will never use.

There's been times I've needed to haul X amount of cargo and just downsized to the right Iteron size to just about do it in one trip, but with better align time than the Itty V. Same could apply here.

I don't believe that's very common, but I suppose the devs would have proper tools to find out how people use ships. I always use the Iteron V and replace unused cargo expanders with stabs - I'll either find more things to haul for less than 15k m3 or use a Magnate instead.