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“if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today." Is a Lie

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2013-02-08 00:48:13 UTC
The latest devblog located here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234

Explains that 47 days worth of skills will be added to existing command ship pilots, for those of us doing mission in Command ships, that is Two months of zero income.

CCP made their claim here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

Going back on their word here:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64158/1/SkillCommandShip.jpg

Resulting in a Per/Willpower remap player looking at
47d, 3h, 29m, 28s of training before they can start playing EVE again.

CCP has effectively wasted PVE commandship pilots for two months of gameplay, Mugged them for 2 months worth of isk, and $30 USD.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-02-08 00:50:31 UTC
I thought the cake was a lie.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#3 - 2013-02-08 00:50:55 UTC
I don't follow

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2013-02-08 00:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
You need all the X Warfare skills to V after the change...?

Huh, interesting.


Wait, no you don't. As long as you have the command ship skill, you'll be fine even without the preqreqs for the skill.

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-08 00:55:22 UTC
My understanding is you're still supposed to be able to fly them, just new players won't be able to without those skills and you can't train further without them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2013-02-08 00:56:44 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
My understanding is you're still supposed to be able to fly them, just new players won't be able to without those skills and you can't train further without them.

Yes, comparing them, currently if you can fly them you would have Battlecruiser V and Command Ship 1.

Afterwards, you'll still have Command Ship 1 and then be given Amarr BC V. So you can use the command ship, still.

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#7 - 2013-02-08 00:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
If you are flying command ships now, you can still fly them after the changes.

It only changes things for people who train command ships after the changes, ie. people who can't fly it 'today'.

/thread
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#8 - 2013-02-08 00:58:04 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I don't follow


When CCP first announce the skill reconfiguration, they made they reassurance of "If you can fly it before the patch, you can fly it after the patch", paraphrasing (what Tom wrote is the more accurate quote), of course. I'm a little disheartened myself, because it was a promise made in haste. I knew about the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill reconfiguration, but they really went to town on so many more that initally had no mention. What?

John Hancock
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#9 - 2013-02-08 01:01:18 UTC
They are changing the prerequisites of training the Command Ships skill. If you already have the Command Ships skill, the altered prerequisites does nothing except prevent you from training Command Ships higher.

Amarrad - Amarr language project
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2013-02-08 01:01:58 UTC
If its in a Tom Gerard thread, it must be true.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#11 - 2013-02-08 01:43:19 UTC
you obviously don't understand how nested skills work in eve do you? or is this s troll? never answered to a tom Gerard topic before...
stoicfaux
#12 - 2013-02-08 01:46:11 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
If its in a Tom Gerard thread, it must be true.


Partially true. You don't lose the ability to fly the ship, but you do lose the ability to continue training that skill. (But it's under review.)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2579344#post2579344

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Just to clarify one valid question.


  • Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
  • However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.

    • Ex:

  • You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.

    • We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#13 - 2013-02-08 01:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
afaik, you have the skill, you can fly the ship. They aren't going to take it away from you just because you don't have the prereqs. This functions exactly the same way losing a level of a prereq skill for 'some ship' in which you still have the primary skill.

You might want to pay attention to that med clone thing in there, or you may find yourself without some skills you had previously though.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2013-02-08 02:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
stoicfaux wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
If its in a Tom Gerard thread, it must be true.

Partially true. You don't lose the ability to fly the ship, but you do lose the ability to continue training that skill. (But it's under review.)

But if you could fly the ship, you can still fly the ship.
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“if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today." Is a Lie

Cannot be said to be partially true, unless by fly, you mean (continue training the skill, which you have at a rank that allows you to) fly

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Shalia Ripper
#15 - 2013-02-08 02:19:37 UTC
47 days of training?

Start now?

Problem solved.

Sig blah blah blah blah
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#16 - 2013-02-08 02:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Tom, you're a dumbass...

To fly a command ship you need only Racial Battlecruiser 5 and Command Ships 1, nothing else.

Any other skills you see on that list are prereqs to only those skills and not the ship itself.

Skill DO NOT suddenly stop working or untrain themselves because a prereq disappears....

In this way, in the current system, it means you can get podded, lose BS 5, and still pilot all your carriers. If you're too dense to get it as text then go try it on SiSi with some large level 5 skills that is sued as some other pre req....

Now for the love of God change the name of this thread away from the silly falsehood and request for its locking.....

The Drake is a Lie
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-08 02:21:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
If its in a Tom Gerard thread, it must be true.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Tesal
#18 - 2013-02-08 02:26:17 UTC
So I won't get my leadership skills bumped up to 5 with the Command ship change but I will still be able to fly a command ship.
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2013-02-08 02:29:25 UTC
So, Tom, I have a serious question for you.

Are you trying too hard to be earnest in these questions, or trying too hard to look serious while trolling?!? Can't tell, but you're getting quite prolific lately. Just get back from a ban?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2013-02-08 02:34:52 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
...for those of us doing mission in Command ships...


I think I found the flaw in your logic. Lol

Mr Epeen Cool
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