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[LOAN] 2 BIL 10% 1 Month No collateral
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Mike Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-06 21:40:26 UTC
Looking for a 2 bil isk loan over a one month period. Un-collatarlized.

This is my first time looking for a loan.

Repayment will start 14 days after receiving isk. 1.1 bil re payed every 14 days.

Recently moved from a C3 to C5 and will use isk to purchase another carrier and to resupply my empire manufacturing toon.

Willing to supply full API if requested.



Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#2 - 2013-02-06 22:01:44 UTC
would like pledge 20b

@JerryTPepridge
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#3 - 2013-02-06 23:42:04 UTC
No collateral.

you are indistinguishable from a scammer

yes
Diesel Phumes
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-07 13:25:15 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
No collateral.

you are indistinguishable from a scammer


Alex, I've read your bio and I've seen a lot of your posts. I have a gut feeling that you are someone who could be trusted and I also have a gut feeling that if we were to crossed each other's paths IRL, we probably would have enjoyed a few conversations.

But, I can disprove the "indistinguishable from a scammer" argument rather quickly.
If I were to put information about people in binary type code it might look something like the following:
Known scammer = 0
Unknown MD'r = 1
Known MD'r = 01
Great MD'r = 001
Legendary MD'r = 0001

1 and 0 are vey distinguishable from one another.

With this being said: in this thread, I agree with your post and would like to add that something doesn't feel right about this guy.

You have an empire manufacturing toon and are broke?
You had a carrier once but don't have one now?
You lived in WH space and coudn't earn a decent living?

TOOOOO many gaps here.
Mike Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-07 19:17:23 UTC
You have an empire manufacturing toon and are broke? Moving into a c5. JF's are not cheap.

You had a carrier once but don't have one now? I have 1 carrier but need another carrier for my alt.

You lived in WH space and coudn't earn a decent living? JF's are expensive,,

I'm not trying to scam anyone just need a small investment to supplement my current liquid isk problems.

Thanks for your time.
Sae Eto
Free Ships Jita
#6 - 2013-02-07 19:49:04 UTC
Diesel Phumes wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:
No collateral.

you are indistinguishable from a scammer


Alex, I've read your bio and I've seen a lot of your posts. I have a gut feeling that you are someone who could be trusted and I also have a gut feeling that if we were to crossed each other's paths IRL, we probably would have enjoyed a few conversations.

But, I can disprove the "indistinguishable from a scammer" argument rather quickly.
If I were to put information about people in binary type code it might look something like the following:
Known scammer = 0
Unknown MD'r = 1
Known MD'r = 01
Great MD'r = 001
Legendary MD'r = 0001

1 and 0 are vey distinguishable from one another.

With this being said: in this thread, I agree with your post and would like to add that something doesn't feel right about this guy.

You have an empire manufacturing toon and are broke?
You had a carrier once but don't have one now?
You lived in WH space and coudn't earn a decent living?

TOOOOO many gaps here.




Wouldn't 1, 01, 001 and 0001 all be the same number in binary (a decimal 1), I think you need more than two numbers to separate scammers, unknowns and so on. I think colours would be best for this task.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#7 - 2013-02-07 19:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
Diesel Phumes wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:
No collateral.

you are indistinguishable from a scammer


Alex, I've read your bio and I've seen a lot of your posts. I have a gut feeling that you are someone who could be trusted and I also have a gut feeling that if we were to crossed each other's paths IRL, we probably would have enjoyed a few conversations.

But, I can disprove the "indistinguishable from a scammer" argument rather quickly.
If I were to put information about people in binary type code it might look something like the following:
Known scammer = 0
Unknown MD'r = 1
Known MD'r = 01
Great MD'r = 001
Legendary MD'r = 0001

1 and 0 are vey distinguishable from one another.

With this being said: in this thread, I agree with your post and would like to add that something doesn't feel right about this guy.

You have an empire manufacturing toon and are broke?
You had a carrier once but don't have one now?
You lived in WH space and coudn't earn a decent living?

TOOOOO many gaps here.





Factually yes, Someone is either a scammer or they are not a scammer.

unless they are both a scammer and not a scammer at the same time ( QUANTUM SCAMMING :D ? ) jk

In the matter of uncollateralized investments whether or not someone is a scammer is a matter of their intent.

It is impossible to prove or disprove someones's intent ( see plausible deniability )


and yes, as someone mentioned before

1

and

01 are the same number

In case anyone is interested the 4 types would be

Known scammer = 1
Unknown MD'r = 10
Known MD'r = 11
Great MD'r = 100
Legendary MD'r = 101

yes
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#8 - 2013-02-07 20:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Coffee
Mike Smith wrote:
You have an empire manufacturing toon and are broke? Moving into a c5. JF's are not cheap.


JF in w-space, it's VERY glamorous.
What's your static?
I would STRONGLY suggest waiting for D792 in your system or the system next to you (if you have C5-C5 or C5-C6) and using a regular freighter.
Usually those appear every month or so. 5b saving comparing to regular freighter costs is worth a wait, in my opinion.
I'm yet to see anyone using a freighter in w-space as a regular hauler too, Orca / DST / BR all the way.

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#9 - 2013-02-07 20:12:11 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:


Known scammer = 1
Unknown MD'r = 10
Known MD'r = 11
Great MD'r = 100
Legendary MD'r = 101


Somehow I strongly believe that Known Scammer would be 404. Pardon my IT illiteracy. Ugh

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#10 - 2013-02-07 20:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
Claire Coffee wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:


Known scammer = 1
Unknown MD'r = 10
Known MD'r = 11
Great MD'r = 100
Legendary MD'r = 101


Somehow I strongly believe that Known Scammer would be 404. Pardon my IT illiteracy. Ugh


404 = HTTP status code, page not found error.

So if anything that would be unknown scammer.

yes
Mike Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-07 20:15:45 UTC
We get a few low sec and null hulls. Having the JF makes things simple. But comes with a lot of risk.

Um. Thanks for all the free bumps..
Xanthe Isgar
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-02-07 21:57:25 UTC
Just pointing out...

I'm a relatively new player (this is an alt) and moved into a C5 a couple weeks ago with my new corp. If you can't earn 2b by yourself in a relatively short time, then I have to wonder if you'd have the ability to even pay back a loan.
Mike Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-07 22:13:12 UTC
Xanthe Isgar wrote:
Just pointing out...

I'm a relatively new player (this is an alt) and moved into a C5 a couple weeks ago with my new corp. If you can't earn 2b by yourself in a relatively short time, then I have to wonder if you'd have the ability to even pay back a loan.



Just pointing out.....


That jump freighters are expensive. Currently moving, need isk to complete the move, and I know 2 bil is easy in a wh.. Look at when I started playing eve, then look to see if my name has ever come up in a scam.
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#14 - 2013-02-08 00:02:49 UTC
I'm probably missing out something, cause I can't see any connection between Carrier for WH, High-sec industry ops and the price of JF that isn't required in any w-space anyway.

Well it's up for people to think of the rationality here, but I can't call it a valid course of action.

Just to let you know, I've built 2 carriers inside the hole with partial mining and hauling with Impel. Took me two weeks for both afair (excluding hull manufacturing which takes 7 days on its own), so it's a bit personal Oops

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]
Diesel Phumes
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-08 12:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel Phumes
Alex Grison wrote:

you are indistinguishable from a scammer


Factually yes, Someone is either a scammer or they are not a scammer.

unless they are both a scammer and not a scammer at the same time ( QUANTUM SCAMMING :D ? ) jk

In the matter of uncollateralized investments whether or not someone is a scammer is a matter of their intent.

It is impossible to prove or disprove someones's intent ( see plausible deniability )


and yes, as someone mentioned before

1

and

01 are the same number

In case anyone is interested the 4 types would be

Known scammer = 1
Unknown MD'r = 10
Known MD'r = 11
Great MD'r = 100
Legendary MD'r = 101


Good stuff!



*edit* quote got all messed up