Warfare & Tactics

Gallente were "gifted" about 60 systems, not 70. All the Caldari had to do was flip 1-2 more systems to get them to Tier 3, but they didn't. Then Abannan decided to take back Eugales, and then we decided to push down into Placid... Game over.

Takes you guys a little too long to "wake up". It took you guys generally took at least thirty minutes to an hour or more to bring a fight when vlil was being pushed. If you want to talk about apathy, think of the countless hours the gallente have spent keeping the caldari waiting while you guys wait for the minimum of 2(+):1 odds in your favor. Why blob up when we have to wait an hour or more for you guys to get a bigger blob when we can just log in and do a little small gang or solo work and get a fight within minutes of logging in? Win or lose, ask yourself, would you want to spend over an hour trying to get a fight or reduce your gang size/ship down to get one sooner?

Don't get me wrong, i love hopping into a gaurdian or basi and watching local fill with justified chaos tears about "you have logi and 3 boosters were not fighting QQ" but it gets old when the only fighting is on the forums or tears in local. The thing is most caldari are happy to throw down when the odds are against their favor, the issue with most gallente they want to "win" and traditionally stay docked until they have a massive numbers advantage and counter fleet comp to the caldari gang that has been waiting for at least an hour (the exception is chatgris fleets (most of the time at least, sometimes chatgris pulls an ammon dei...) and some SOTF FC's). This has been true in the nourv days in 2010, during the vlil push in 2012, and still holds true today. This is personally why I don't really roam that much anymore, i just do what the gallente do and sit around my home systems looking for small gang pew pew until an enemy gang rolls around, make them wait, get everyone, and go after them with a counter fleet comp or watch them run away.

But then again EvE is rock, papper, scissors, so if you play it to "win" you avoid engaging get more numbers/counter fleet comps, so both sides get apathetic towards even fighting when no one wants to fight without a numbers advantage or counter fleet comp, but hey at least button spinning forces fights (like in vlil). Sometimes you guys didn't have the magic 7:1 ratio and we got some good fights out of it rather than waiting the full hour+ for a fight, because you guys didn't have the luxury to wait for that full hour or more to get everyone because you were going to lose your home system. It lead to some really good fights, i enjoyed them, win or lose.

This could be one cause to the caldari emphasis on button spinning, is to a) get small gang pew pew since plexing offers instantaneous pew and b) if it's one of your home systems, force you to fight with little more a sense of urgency rather than boring the caldari to death by making them wait to get the perfect counter fleet comp and numbers advantage. This is my two cents anyway.

DON'T WORRY - I'll always be here fail posting.

One other reason is "the meta" has more than creeped into FW compared to the "old days". You might have a 0.0 entity barge in on a fight in the old days looking to gank both militias but in general it was the gallente vs the caldari. Now when an alliance "unaffiliated" with FW drops in it's generally because one side called them in. Everyone batphones. A lot of people say they joined FW to escape 0.0 politics and such, the fact is now they're involved in it whether they like it or not, they can just choose to not have friends or to have friends. Asakai was evident of this. Things just aren't as simple anymore.

A couple comments;

Regarding the Vlill push or any home system push for that matter. If there is a hint that the opponent wants to take the system and not there for a fight, then people will eventually blob you. I think you and Amarrian Retribution wanted the GFs...most of the time. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights. Once our US TZ corp finally got some EU reinforcements, he never bothered coming again and ran from everything. We eventually plexed the system down.

So it gets to a point where blobbing occurs because holding the system is more important than the fight. I've been on both ends of this and have no problem with either side doing it.

As Commisar alluded to, Gallente might be able to field bigger numbers on occasion, but it requires more coordination and effort (and headaches) which generally turns off the veterans who don't have the patience to deal with long form up times. A 5-10 man gang can be formed in 5 minutes. A 30 man gang takes 30-45 minutes to form. Ughh.

Let's examine the US TZ landscape in greater detail for both sides and which corps/alliances can field a decent small gang.

Caldari:

1. Happy Endings- capable of fielding 8-15 nowadays. Sometimes upwards of 20-30 like last night. But I think that's an anomaly for them.
2. Brosefs- 10-15 man cruiser gang with 4 griffins to boot!
3. Templis- 7-10 man gang.
4. Liandri- 10-20. But usually frigs/dessies. They do cruisers once in a while if a couple of their FCs wasn't so fixated on huddling 10 frigs into a Novice plex for the sake of the sov war.

Gallente:

1. Sammurai Pizza Cats: 5-10 man gang on average.
2. Justified Chaos: 5-8
3. Villore Accords Alliance: 7-15
4. Monkeys with Guns: 4-8
5. Spiritus Draconis: 5-10

So judging by these numbers, US TZ FW between Caldari/Gallente is relatively healthy for small gang pew at the 10 man limit with the more established organizations. I'd rather have multiple fights of 5-10 than one big 30 man fight, which, quite frankly, are anti-climatic. It's just that people have to scale down their expectations of these "big fights of yesteryear".

Another faction war thread derailed with gallente herp derp, and the typical complaints of "you blob!" "no you blob!" Its 2009 all over again.

Just join rvb and/or arrange your fights, and quit whining. Or you can continue crying on the forums that the enemy doesn't play the way you want. Whatever makes you happy.

Just whatever you do, don't consider that fw mechanics may be as broken as ever.

Woah, woah woah, WOAH. Careful there. Post with a little wit and CCP Chatgris might ban you.

well...we sorta made it to page 2 without any whining. not the most terrible FW thread ever.

this thread has depressed me.

Im quitting and sending application to Black Rise pirate outfit and shooting everyone

Throw those spartan alliance guys a mail. Adot is pretty cool and happily shoots all caldari who jump into akidagi from ich