Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have read what was posted. And my statement still stands. You might have gone back and read them more carefully. There is no doubt of that. What I am stating is at the time of character creation, you chose poorly. Let's read that again: you chose poorly.

Regardless if the other schools include Industry 2 or other skills you didn't want. Because I am certain that each of those schools would have also contained a skill you didn't want, even if you were making an "industry toon". You still made a Choice™ that wasn't thought out properly based on your criteria for gameplay. I use the word 'gameplay' very lightly here, because your idea has nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's just your own personal issues that are affected here.

Now I will state that your idea is a poor one. I think it is way too cumbersome than some of the more realistic options that have already been suggested, such as "get over it", "deal with it", and "just don't look at the skills". An idea that would take hours and days of coding and checks and balances based on logins and passwords can be spent better on other aspects of the game. Fact.

Speaking of your checks and balances based on preventing hackers from hurting real players. No thank you. I don't want to even give the opportunity for someone else to log in and completely screw up my character. Even if it was only "1 skill per month or day". Even if they needed to hack two sets of login credentials to perform it. Nor do I want to even think about waiting for a petition to go through to be able to get my skills back. Absolutely NO. Giving the hackers this power to grief would be one of the worst things to be put in the game. And, agree with this or not, this tool WILL BE used to grief. No debating needed.

Feel free to keep hitting your head against the wall. It's your life.

Thank you.

While they might have chosen poorly, (I have no idea, not checked their age) there was a time when choices with character selection were slim. This meant you needed to focus on attributes, at the expense of other things. Now it's a far better system and you can in fact, go down the exact path you wish without that regard.

I have mining and industry at level 1. They came with the character and I have no intention of ever using them. Was it through bad choice? No actually, bad game design at the time.

As far as your argument regarding hackers griefing you with this, is concerned. I'm not sure you're being serious tbh. If a hacker got my password, this would be the last of my concerns. But as my password and keeping of the safety of my account is down to me, I couldn't blame any mechanic in place if it happened. Could I? No, it would be my fault, no debating needed.

I don't think this is a bad idea. It has the consequence of SP removal and loss of the skill. Some have mentioned this could be used for cheaper clones. While that is factually true, the cost in SP, time and skill books, are a balancing factor.
If it was easy to implement, I wouldn't have any issues with it.

+1 from me.

I really don't understand your logic. There are three choices to be made in character creation regarding as to what school you start in. An industry choice, a combat choice and a trade choice (i think it's a trade choice anyway). After reading carefully each one, I chose the combat school i.e. Imperial Academy, how is that the "wrong" choice when the other two are not the criteria I wanted. In fact, it was the right choice. It shouldn't have included industry 2 with it being the combat school. Fact.

I think the idea is a good one, it's a quality of life improvement that comes with a penalty i.e. losing skill points and the time you spent learning them. But the bonus being you get to remove the skill books that you didn't want and/or been gathering dust for years. I will reiterate what I have said in earlier posts, countless times, just for you. I know the issue isn't a crucial one. It could be something team super friends work on when they have a bit of spare time. I agree that it shouldn't take priority over core gameplay mechanics but it is still a system I would like to see implemented. The password feature was just another idea, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would have to be used.

So you think that having a second password built in to your game will somehow give a hacker the ability to find your login credentials more easily? I hate to burst your bubble sunshine but have you ever heard of biomassing? What's stopping a hacker gaining your login credentials right now and biomassing your character. You would lose far more skill points and time if that where to happen. You would also have to go through the same petition to wait to get your character back. I think you are delusional.

Thanks for the response nonetheless.

I don't think so. Realistically speaking I can't see anyone removing say, level 5 skills. I mainly see people using it for either removing skills that came with their character on creation that they didn't want or skills they accidentally injected and didn't train very far. It doesn't matter how much they want them back, it's the price they pay for a luxury service. Prior to the deleting of the skills they would have been given several notices asking them to confirm the severity of their actions.

Personally I don't think skill point re-allocation is a good idea. People would just re-allocate when something became FoTM.

My idea actually has a penalty, a sufficient one that balances the price of the service.

This would work if you weren't given industry 2 on character creation. Anyone else with the bright ideas willing to step up and share the infinite wisdom?

Sure, I'll step up.

I think you should learn to cope with small, ineffectual differences in the things in life. Having Industry lvl 2 is in no way a gamebreaking experience.

What's next? Your market alt that never undocks wants to unlearn Spaceship Command lvl 3. Your scientist alt wants to unlearn Gunnery lvl 3?

I will point out once more that you should just not refresh your clone and engage in that PVP you are so into (because you don't want your combat pilot to have an Industry skill at lvl 2) and eventually you will not have Industry lvl 2. The mechanic is already in the game. You can combine the suggestion of restarting a character from scratch and my suggestion of flying without a proper clone to remove those unwanted skills.

Or, just deal with the small item of having Industry lvl 2. Because I don't see this idea going anywhere.

Thank you.

Must have missed the part before that, when I said I hadn't checked. Though why I'd check you when the argument was about the OP, is rather strange. But if that's your only argument, then thank you indeed.

I cope with it fine, you make it sound like I am ripping my hair out over seeing it. Nope, I would just prefer it gone is all.



I don't have any alts. Though the system I have suggested would allow for this for the people that do have alts. So it's not really "what's next" but rather "what's included"



The risk of it moving a skill I don't want removed is higher than it removing industry 2. (99.9% combat based) So whilst I appreciate you pointing out your great idea once again, it simply will not do. Though thank you, again.



I am dealing with it Maybe not how you want me to, but it my own way chief!

Just because I'm willing to argue for the implementation of my idea doesn't mean I find it an unbearable sight. Yes it's not that bad, but still it would be something I would like to see gone.

Never said it was much needed, rather just a quality of life improvement that would be a neat addition to the game. Where I failed to gain your support I succeeded in gaining others. That's fine, thanks for your participation in the thread!