EVE General Discussion

As in not total.

wat?

It would, at worst, make being in NPC corps dangerous if you wanted to accomplish anything... Guess what, thats a GOOD thing because it gets people into player corps.

Oh, and Akasai begs to differ. It is proof that given a chance everyone in EVE will dogpile the big guys in an attempt to hurt him.

Explain, please, how making NPC corp wardeccable would make being in a player corp dangerous.

Imagine every large alliance looking to exert their power wardeccing NPC corps.
Imagine every pirate corp looking to make a profit wardeccing the NPC corps.
Imagine groups like New Order wardeccing the NPC corps.
Imagine every scumbag who wants to kill easy target and make a profit while doing it wardeccing the NPC corps.

There would be such a massive string of sudden wardecs that would outmatch what any mercenary corp would be capable of defending against. For profit, to forcefully increase their numbers, to destroy potential future competition, for whatever reason. Amongst the most powerful groups of EVE? These are not the minority. Amongst individuals, the majority will be the indifferent, the followers, or the scared. This isn't just a wild guess, not fortune telling, this is based off human psychology and experience with a large variety of other pure FFA games. And this would continue for a good while. About up to the point where the tension between this groups competing erupts.

Granted, a lot would be going on, which is good in theory, but you have not seen how bad and hostile a community can get until you've seen things get to that point. I would not look forward to seeing it on EVE's scale.

Wait wait wait... what? I never said it makes player corps more dangerous, I said it'd make joining them no longer a choice. As in, if you want to do anything, you'd have to join one. If you don't want to get blapped every other gate, you'd have to join one. At no point did I say anything remotely resembling player corps being the ones that are more dangerous.

I hardly see the point of high sec though if you're pretty much going to remove part of its purpose, and given the nature of the game, if you want new people to enjoy it? If you want people who may not the best to learn, they need room to do so, not be forced to either hide, making them playing pointless, or die and die and die until they are stuck in a rookie ship. If you want people in player corps, they need to be good fits, otherwise all you get is discontent. Not something you want in any game.

Also I'm not basing my view on the forums, or just the EVE community. I'm basing it on a combined experience of other games that have had pure FFA gameplay (pretty wide variety of text MUDs, Age of Conan, even Ultima Online some, but towns were still largely safe, so you had methods to get past the camps, etc). This isn't an isolated thing. There are plenty in any game, anywhere that'd jump on this opportunity. There's a reason webcomics like The Noob have presented this concept with a pure FFA server, masses of PKers just waiting and watching for the opportunity to gank easy targets. EQ PvP servers were notorious for delevelers using obscenely overpowered gear for the level and ganking easy targets. EVE isn't going to mysteriously and magically be different just because its a different game. A sense of power over others appeals to a very very base human instinct that really comes full swing in gaming. "This time" wouldn't be any different. You really think CCP wouldn't just go for it if they didn't think that everything would be ok if they did? That things would be better if they did? CCP would be all over that if there wasn't some incredible and potentially game breaking risk involved. That's their thing. I think if they were certain this wouldn't be the case? They'd probably be fine with the idea your presenting. I know I would.

Now I'm not saying corps shouldn't have viable things they can do. I wouldn't say that they shouldn't get advantages they have access to with enough members that encourage war decs. A game can be PvP focused without having to be able to kill everything in sight.

EDIT: And hell, I'd be up for making calling CONCORD a manual thing... no more AFK protection. Can do other things while you mine and such, but gotta be alert enough to call CONCORD before or soon after you blow... or just be auto on podding.

There are 2 kinds of NPC corps, noob NPC corps which you can never go back to, and the other kind. Noob NPC corps should not be wardeccable, ever, but you should have to leave if you want to use T2 hulls or capships(freighters are caps), and perhaps one or 2 other markers that would indicate you can no longer claim you are a noob(if you can fly a mining barge, a T2 hull, or a capship of any variety, you are not a noob). This was all explained in my original post.

Essentially, noobs deserve protection, but once you are no longer a noob, you need to deal with the game, not hide from it.

Oh, and just because everyone has wardecced the NPC corp doesn't mean its a FFA, I have no idea wheere you came up with FFA.

I beg to differ about it being un-recoverable.

I have been knocked down to nothing on a couple occasions, and didn't have to resort to hiding in an NPC corp to recover, its actually much easier to recover by joining a player corp than it is to try and recover solo.

More than that, no matter how much you lose, as long as you have friends recovery is easy, just float a 10 mil loan. You can also scam for this, or just run L1s in a noobship(if you can do it as a noob, you can definitely do it as a vet, and you can do it as a noob). As a final option, you can always make a mission corp and recover by taxing noob mission runners.

There is no such thing as not being able to recover unless you refuse to take part in the multi-player aspect of the game.

A 1 man corp is better than NPC corp, but even thats a terrible idea since why would you want to play a multiplayer game solo?

OK, I'm just going to come out and say this, how does not being in a player corp automatically mean they only play solo? They could work with various other people from various corps, NPC and player. Being in an NPC corp does not automatically mean solo play, it just means they don't have a specific group. And why should they be forced to?

And also, Nicolo, note that specifically note that targeting a person to that extent does fall under griefing pretty distinctly, as it should. Funny how mechanics are also built to largely prevent that from happening with any efficency, isn't it?

Automatically? It doesn't, but in practice, it usually does.

Thats the thing, you can cherry pick exceptions to any generalization, but cherry picking examples doesn't mean the generalization isn't generally true.

As far as I have been able to tell from my time in eve, during which I have done almost everything but run my own empire(including being an asocial carebear, tho I never stayed long in NPC corps because of the constant scams and spam in the channel) 95% of people in NPC corps have been alts or people hiding from wardecs.

And the alts were there to hide them from wardecs so people could make isk mindlessly, or post on the forums without fear of retaliation.

Kinda sad that so many people are now hiding in NPC corps with all their characters that 'Post with your main' is no longer a thing.

Oh yeah, and its always possible to recover in eve because plex