EVE General Discussion

convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone

Its also convenient how you forget to mentions the fact that we **** caged the most supercarriers and titans in history and mangled every fleet that tried to evack them as well as the fact that the battles involved fleets of equal numbers of subcaps on both sides.

But hey, when less than 20 Bats can bring high sec to its collective knees and produces months of rage on the forums by your ilk then its no wonder we have managed to take so many tech moons and hold them.

Btw none adressed them in the thread. Was a talk about RTM and immeditally they jumped in to say "no, we are not, our corpotation wallet and transation is visible" and so on :)

I already tried to explain them as this attitude only feed suspects, but then everyone do as prefers...

And still I don't think is a matter of a specific group, corporation are alliance, everyone has his own fair share of this. And also I'm sure are only very small groups and 99% of this people is clean even if they work hard on the forum to look like guilty..

Botting. Anyone with an average IQ understand as they are isntalled where is more convenient to install them. Mining and ratting bots needs to have empty belts and no competitors to work properly, beside installing a ratting bot in high sec makes no sense considerating the laughable payout. Same for anomalies bots, they need to be installed where anomalies pay more and with no competitors.

Missioning bots (like the recent "Questor") are different: they farm an infinite resources spawned ad hoc (the mission site) so they don't have to worry about competitors and can work fine everywhere (of course they will be installed where there are mission hubs).

Note here: the statement "now 0.0. belts are empty cause is more convenient to run missioning bots" is awesome :)


But here the point was not botting, was RMT. If RMT from moon, botting, or legit in game activities is secondary. The question is: who manage this at a massive level.

There are cases of major alliance leaders banned or involved in RMT (just as example the former leader of RA), as well as WHOLE alliance of botters banned, and again they were part of these null sec coalition and well known as botters (last one is that jagged alliance). Those are facts. For the rest, again, is enough to google some keywords to find documents, data, chat logs that give a clear idea about this.

Can you name another example, preferably of the non-russian variety(Sorry russians, but you get the generic RMT tag now that china has cracked down on it)

It depends on the corp. The one my alt is in is chatty all the time. Its got a 1000 people in it so I suppose it has to be.

INB4 'Sreegs is a Goon!'

oh i have no doubt im missing some but doesn't change my point

anyway im out, i've talked to a brick wall long enough for today

You have a point...

Makes you wonder...either CCP just doesn't give a damn or they have no clue, because it seems players put their heads together in this thread and came up with some very credible theories that should be investigated.

Just wander through Caldari mission hubs: bots everywhere running 23h30/24. In some systems they are the vast majority of the local population.

A few? 80% of the bot population is not a few.

An ME3 Aeon has about 1b worth of High End minerals in it, out of a build cost of 18.5b, and since Nullsec is actually less efficient than HS at gathering low end materials (due to the fixed ore proportions provided by hidden belts), there'd be no reason to put your bots in Null if your goal were to build Supers.

A HS Mission bot operation is infinitely extensible (limited only by computing power) and cannot easily be disrupted by players. A -1.0 nullsec system can't support more than ~7-8 Ratting characters at a time, regardless of computing power and a botting operation based there can easily be disrupted by players.

Assume 100m/hr/bot in Null, and 50m/hr/bot in High. The HS botter simply doubles his botting population, his 16 bots (required to match the Nullsec botter's 8) blending in with the hundreds of mission runners in Umokka and makes the same income with no significant chance of being interrupted and a low chance of being reported (are you going to watch several hundred characters to see if someone looks like a bot?).