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Wolfpacks of Destroyers
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Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#21 - 2011-10-25 21:55:41 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Blink Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on Big smile


looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-10-25 22:55:56 UTC
if destroyers are supposed to kill frigs they should be able to take on more then one of them... atm 2 rifters can kill a coercer no problem


dessies need long range and very high tracking with low damage and speed, this makes them worthless vs cruisers and can easily take on frigs
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-10-25 23:10:16 UTC
Thrasher, currently:

destroyer skill: +10% tracking, +5% damage for small.

Role: 50% optimal range boost. -25% ROF (which is going away)


so, pretty much, they have that :) Though the optimal for projectiles tends to suck anyway
Alara IonStorm
#24 - 2011-10-25 23:13:12 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
if destroyers are supposed to kill frigs they should be able to take on more then one of them... atm 2 rifters can kill a coercer no problem

Not really, 2 Ruptures can off a Hurricane which is built to kill Cruisers.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-25 23:16:07 UTC
Anyone care to make a RvB of frigates and destroyers only? Big smile
Tashanaka
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-25 23:17:59 UTC
Anne Arqui wrote:
[quote=Alara IonStorm] Time to train my Destroyer skill up and take the dust off my Thrashers ..


+1 to that. Depends if the buff makes it to TQ.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-10-25 23:20:45 UTC
mmm... even more dps on my suicide gank Catalysts!
Eve Mione
Eve Industry Unlimited
#28 - 2011-10-26 00:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Mione
The Destroyer class in general has kind of been ignored. What I think would be great is to add in a similar fasion to Battlecruiser class is 2 more tiers in a effort to mirror the BC line up. For example the Catalyst & Brutix are big DPS boats/ both have lots of guns.

The Tier 2 Myrmidon has more tank with less guns etc - (Insert name Tier 2 Dessie here) will have more tank/ drop a couple high turret slots for more mids and lows and either more speed or HP.

Tier 3 as it stands now will be the new lead into the next size of ship guns. (Insert name Tier 3 Dessie here) Simply put, a destroyer capable of wielding a few medium sized cruiser guns.

Personally we could use more hulls in general for the destroyer class and they would be even more accesible than BC's are now. Thoughts?

*Edited for spelling*
Jita Alt666
#29 - 2011-10-26 00:23:47 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Blink Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on Big smile


looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^



As some one who actually read the CSM candidates notes prior to the CSM 6 election, I can categorically state, The current CSM members heavily promoted the idea of multi-shiptype fleets.

I am more worried about running into repeated large sub capital fleets that consists of Alpha Maels, Claymores, Tornadoes, Broadswords, Thrashers and Sabres than I am about anything else after the winter expansion.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#30 - 2011-10-26 11:06:38 UTC
For awhile (they might still) Agony PVP Uni had an all destroyer wolfpack class.... The videos up of those are fun to watch to say the least.

I think they required everybody in thrashers for the class though, and not any of the other Dessi's. Which of course is no surprise.... In any sense, fast lock arty thrashers in large numbers make for good videos. ;)
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#31 - 2011-10-26 11:09:17 UTC
Russell Casey wrote:
That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.


QFT.

But like it has been said some of them need moar mid slots. It really shouldn't be a decision about wether to use an AB or some kind of point.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#32 - 2011-10-26 11:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jooce McNasty
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Russell Casey wrote:
That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.


QFT.

But like it has been said some of them need moar mid slots. It really shouldn't be a decision about wether to use an AB or some kind of point.



You know you could maybe work with others? Destroyers in gangs are going to be deadly especially if you an a dictor with the gang in low/null. Or get a interceptor to do the tackle for you and you just **** from range.

Not every ship type should be used solo. Some should more of a role in groups then solo pvp.

This is where I see destroyers shining.

My biggest problem with destroyers is the fact that they force an armor tank on you with the lack of mid's
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-26 11:36:17 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Blink Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on Big smile


looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^


You really don't pay attention to our fleet comps, do you?

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#34 - 2011-10-26 11:39:51 UTC
Plenty of destroyers in the most recent Test Alliance Video. (And a video that I can't help but like for some insane reason) From the color's, they don't appear to be dictors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRIjzW-kg0&feature=share&mid=50
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#35 - 2011-10-26 12:39:50 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
Wolfpacks of Thrashers

Fixed.

The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C.

It's Thrashers all the way down.

The Catalyst and Cormorant will both benefit immensely from the Hybrid rebalance.

A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.

The Cormorant was already pretty good as a webbing blasterboat and with the Hybrid changes it should excel as a rail kiter.

The Thrasher benefits chiefly from being faster, smaller and having more hp.

The Coercer will make excellent hit and run gang ships for new players. Those lasers, as with all the other destroyers, now pump out 25% more damage.

These changes chiefly benefit new players as destroyers are low skill ships that a new player can be flying with T2 fits in a few weeks of starting the game, but even older players should be able to form very nasty gangs with these: add a couple of Griffins and you've got the perfect counter to the new T3 BCs.
Alara IonStorm
#36 - 2011-10-26 13:29:21 UTC
Bomberlocks wrote:

A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.

Cruisers have been replaced by Shield Nano Canes for quite a while. It can not control Range against Frigates w/o a web.

Bomberlocks wrote:

The Cormorant was already pretty good as a webbing blasterboat and with the Hybrid changes it should excel as a rail kiter.

It is to slow to kite Frigates, anything bigger will eat it with Drones. Even with the change it's Dmg will still be pitiful with one low slot, that or it's tank with no DCU.
Bomberlocks wrote:

The Thrasher benefits chiefly from being faster, smaller and having more hp.

Yes.
Bomberlocks wrote:

The Coercer will make excellent hit and run gang ships for new players. Those lasers, as with all the other destroyers, now pump out 25% more damage.

Perhaps but w/o tackle meh.
Bomberlocks wrote:

These changes chiefly benefit new players as destroyers are low skill ships that a new player can be flying with T2 fits in a few weeks of starting the game, but even older players should be able to form very nasty gangs with these: add a couple of Griffins and you've got the perfect counter to the new T3 BCs.

They will be better but not that much. Thrasher would still be miles a head.

Wanna fix destroyers give them another slot.

Cormorant = Low for Dmg
Coercer = Mid for Tackle
Thrasher = Low for Whatever
Catalyst = Mid for Web

That would fix most of there issues.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-10-26 13:45:04 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Blink


If past experience is anything to judge by, they will ***** and moan about it.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#38 - 2011-10-26 13:47:20 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
.....

Wanna fix destroyers give them another slot.

Cormorant = Low for Dmg
Coercer = Mid for Tackle
Thrasher = Low for Whatever
Catalyst = Mid for Web

That would fix most of there issues.

While adding slots would be nice, it would make the new destroyers simply too OP, I think. Destroyers are cheap and inventive players will come up with good fits. It's the perfect ship for new players to get into pvp. Gather some friends, go to losec, lose the destroyers. Reship and come back again. Possibly bring a Griffin this time. What's not too like?
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-10-26 14:13:33 UTC
First there were wolfpacks and drunken roams with rifters.

This winter, there will be wolfpacks and drunken roams with Thrashers.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#40 - 2011-10-26 14:18:57 UTC
I like it when they stir the pot... hope the destroyer buff is not just a rumor... Big smile

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