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Anndy
The Evocati
#41 - 2013-02-06 18:32:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
You know if people would stop buying ISK from RMTers and use the official methods, we would not have to worry about this.


i dont see that happening, not sure what they are selling isk for but its no doubt considerably cheaper then plex which is a massive incentive but even if you do get caught i believe you get several warnings and temp bans before the perma ban finally hits which kinda removes the risk
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#42 - 2013-02-06 18:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
The system is known.

As the OP suggeste, it's enough google some to have a view about current and past RMT and botting events. Then everyone can evaluate and make his own opinion about how the system work, who is involved and so on.

like this

or anything else.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-02-06 18:36:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You know if people would stop buying ISK from RMTers and use the official methods, we would not have to worry about this.


You know if people would just stop driving drunk, we wouldn't have all these drunk driving accidents.

That is, in essence, exactly what you just said.


and both are true.


I never said they weren't true. But it's not exactly a useful solution to the problem.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-02-06 18:37:24 UTC
Hedion's oracle wrote:
Ok kids .......pay attention, ill put this simply as possible.........ask yourselfs who would have the assets to supply & build the vast amount of supercaps, factionships and everything else on RMT sites, should be easy enough to figure out. Cool


CCP?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#45 - 2013-02-06 18:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Weaselior wrote:
basically missions and ice are heavily botted in empire for two reasons:

a)infinite scalability: botters can keep onlining new bots and throwing them at sources of money ad infinitum. a mission runner system or ice belt supports as many bots as a botter can manage

b)no competition: botters don't have to compete for resources with real players, who will get mad at them and report them to ccp (or harrass their bots)


they're in empire of course because

c)no risk: because of concord, the risk is minimal, very little ganking, and the bots can be much dumber and lose much less uptime to having to hide.



Do you really think people are stupid?

Don't be victim of your own propaganda, use your brain and tell us:

1. If you have to install a ratting bot, would you install it where the rat spawn pay you 20k isk or where they pay 1-2 milions isk and you can do it more efficiently in a carrier and have no competitors?

2. if you had to install, let's say, an ice mining bot woulf you install it in Aubudan where you have to compete with hunfdreds other miners and risk to be suicide ganked or in some remote corner of 0.0 where an alliance or coalition grant you private belts in a blue safe area and wheere is far more profittable?

And all this in a granted safe area. Is not a coincidence as they're lobbing now to have covertops and cloacking nerfed, cause from here can only come some bothering for their bots.

I feel sorry for all those poor grunts in 0.0 alliances forced in boring activities like structures grinding or to camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding? Someone else botting farms.

Wake up and take your game back.
Anndy
The Evocati
#46 - 2013-02-06 18:57:05 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
basically missions and ice are heavily botted in empire for two reasons:

a)infinite scalability: botters can keep onlining new bots and throwing them at sources of money ad infinitum. a mission runner system or ice belt supports as many bots as a botter can manage

b)no competition: botters don't have to compete for resources with real players, who will get mad at them and report them to ccp (or harrass their bots)


they're in empire of course because

c)no risk: because of concord, the risk is minimal, very little ganking, and the bots can be much dumber and lose much less uptime to having to hide.



Do you really think people are stupid?

Don't be victim of your own propaganda, use your brain and tell us:

1. If you have to install a ratting bot, would you install it where the rat spawn pay you 20k isk or where they pay 1-2 milions isk and you can do it more efficiently in a carrier and have no competitors?

2. if you had to install, let's say, an ice mining bot woulf you install it in Aubudan where you have to compete with hunfdreds other miners and risk to be suicide ganked or in some remote corner of 0.0 where an alliance or coalition grant you private belts in a blue safe area and wheere is far more profittable?

And all this in a granted safe area. Is not a coincidence as they're lobbing now to have covertops and cloacking nerfed, cause from here can only come some bothering for their bots.

I feel sorry for all those poor grunts in 0.0 alliances forced in boring activities like structures grinding or to camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding? Someone else botting farms.

Wake up and take your game back.


dont forget about passive income like moons and PI
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2013-02-06 18:57:34 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:

Do you really think people are stupid?

Don't be victim of your own propaganda, use your brain and tell us:

1. If you have to install a ratting bot, would you install it where the rat spawn pay you 20k isk or where they pay 1-2 milions isk and you can do it more efficiently in a carrier and have no competitors?

2. if you had to install, let's say, an ice mining bot woulf you install it in Aubudan where you have to compete with hunfdreds other miners and risk to be suicide ganked or in some remote corner of 0.0 where an alliance or coalition grant you private belts in a blue safe area and wheere is far more profittable?

And all this in a granted safe area. Is not a coincidence as they're lobbing now to have covertops and cloacking nerfed, cause from here can only come some bothering for their bots.

I feel sorry for all those poor grunts in 0.0 alliances forced in boring activities like structures grinding or to camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding? Someone else botting farms.

Wake up and take your game back.

your entire post is hilarious nonsense based on the wretched empiredweller belief that although they are terrified to go out into 0.0 its actually perfectly safe

you don't ice mine in 0.0 because it's asking to get afk camped/ganked/awoxed. you also don't "get" what ice mining is because you appear to think there's competition for ice belts.
you don't install a ratting bot in empire, you install a mission-runner bot like i was discussing before your brain seized and started blathering

basically you posted a lot of dumb things that don't relate at all to how empire botting is infinitely scaleable noncompetitive and safe

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2013-02-06 19:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
rmt sellers tend to be based in empire for all those reasons: it's rmt buyers who tend to be in 0.0 (people wanting to be important and rmting for a titan or supercarrier: this is really the only time people are going to buy isk in large bulk. people in empire don't really have a need for large amounts of isk because the only people who care about having large amounts of isk will be those who just like making money. sort of pointless to buy in that circumstance)

there was a hilarious screenshot going around of a test titan pilot with -80b in his wallet

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-06 19:04:29 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
1. If you have to install a ratting bot, would you install it where the rat spawn pay you 20k isk

Yes, clearly the highsec botters set up their accounts to farm the 20k asteroid belt spawns.

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or where they pay 1-2 milions isk and you can do it more efficiently in a carrier and have no competitors?

I'd install it in an area where my income could be guaranteed (by, for example, an omnipotent NPC police force which responded in a matter of seconds to any aggression) and wasn't subject to interruption every time a neutral popped up in the system.

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2. if you had to install, let's say, an ice mining bot woulf you install it in Aubudan where you have to compete with hunfdreds other miners

With all those other miners, the ice fields must deplete in no time!

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and risk to be suicide ganked

If only those ice mining ships had received some sort of hit point buff to make them virtually immune to suicide ganking.

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or in some remote corner of 0.0 where an alliance or coalition grant you private belts in a blue safe area and wheere is far more profittable?

You seem pretty familiar with these alliances that give away their space to botters, please go on.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-02-06 19:04:39 UTC
when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that

most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-02-06 19:06:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%

Most likely less ever since James started his little business...
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#52 - 2013-02-06 19:14:15 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%

Most likely less ever since James started his little business...
Likely enough, James 315's little game has had little if any impact on botters - he needs peopel to interact with in order for it to work, and botters are pretty much the defninition of AFK. They just move when he starts in on a system. James hasn't enough friends to police more than a tiny fraction of Hi-Sec. Meanwhile, botters have high incentive to find places he isn't, and probably have better intelligence channels than he does.

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TyeBaak
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-02-06 19:17:37 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Hedion's oracle wrote:
Ok kids .......pay attention, ill put this simply as possible.........ask yourselfs who would have the assets to supply & build the vast amount of supercaps, factionships and everything else on RMT sites, should be easy enough to figure out. Cool


CCP?


1) Sell PLEX for $$
2) Create bot fleet to earn ISK
3) Buyback PLEX for ISK
4) Destroy PLEX
5) Lather, rinse, repeat until desired income from casual gamers is achieved.

ISK is not a liability to CCP, but PLEX are. Follow the $$. There is only one company that can RMT without violating the TOS.

Same reason why the US Gov't won't legalize illicit drugs...it would freeze the income source of the CIA.

A plan so crazy....It. Just. Might. Work.

TB
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#54 - 2013-02-06 19:21:48 UTC
TyeBaak wrote:

A plan so crazy....It. Just. Might. Work.


The Tin Foil is strong with this one.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#55 - 2013-02-06 19:23:56 UTC
Marionaitte wrote:
It's probably not Norwegians as even the lowest paying jobs earns you 1,5 plex per hour.



Not much use for non Eve playing Norwegians.

Can you exchange them for the necessities of life in Norway?

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2013-02-06 19:24:27 UTC
TyeBaak wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Hedion's oracle wrote:
Ok kids .......pay attention, ill put this simply as possible.........ask yourselfs who would have the assets to supply & build the vast amount of supercaps, factionships and everything else on RMT sites, should be easy enough to figure out. Cool


CCP?


1) Sell PLEX for $$
2) Create bot fleet to earn ISK
3) Buyback PLEX for ISK
4) Destroy PLEX
5) Lather, rinse, repeat until desired income from casual gamers is achieved.

ISK is not a liability to CCP, but PLEX are. Follow the $$. There is only one company that can RMT without violating the TOS.

Same reason why the US Gov't won't legalize illicit drugs...it would freeze the income source of the CIA.

A plan so crazy....It. Just. Might. Work.

TB

ccp can magic isk out of thin air if it wants duder

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#57 - 2013-02-06 19:26:29 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding?


Ya know in nine months of playing this terrible game I've been from Branch to Fountain, Cloud Ring to Period Basis, Catch, Cobalt Edge and back and never seen this.

.
Anndy
The Evocati
#58 - 2013-02-06 19:30:39 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that

most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense


you seem to be trying really hard to defend the RMT empires almost as if you have some sort of personal stake in it
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-02-06 19:34:11 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Sura Sadiva wrote:
camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding?


Ya know in nine months of playing this terrible game I've been from Branch to Fountain, Cloud Ring to Period Basis, Catch, Cobalt Edge and back and never seen this.

apparently vv, known worthless pubbie, joined a corp that did this once in 0.0 for hours and believed this was normal, and has told lots of other known worthless pubbies it is normal as well

since they are terrified of 0.0 they never manage to make it out to check

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2013-02-06 19:34:58 UTC
Anndy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that

most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense


you seem to be trying really hard to defend the RMT empires almost as if you have some sort of personal stake in it

you seem to be trying really hard to get everyone to look anywhere else but where we know the bots are, wonder why

most of my incredibly massive wealth i earned in empire despite being a technetium lord

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.