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voorsk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2013-02-06 15:27:59 UTC
The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you call the police! Idea
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2013-02-06 15:31:10 UTC
I suggest that the OP uses all legal means necessary to teach Theory,
as example for others and to prevent that he will do it again,
that there is a line he shouldnt cross.

Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.

Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#143 - 2013-02-06 15:32:46 UTC
Moral of this story is?

Internet spaceships is serious business. The guy you gank today could be the guy who sends you a mail bomb tomorrow. There's all kinds of crazy out there, kids...and you never know what brand of crazy is lurking behind the keyboard.

Frankly, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'm surprised that it's not more common.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#144 - 2013-02-06 15:33:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.

Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.


What promise are you blathering about?
Vojk
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2013-02-06 15:36:48 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:


Who said I'm a pacifist?



Someone who enjoys the suffering of others, and isn't concerned about how his actions may affect people outside of this game. Some who exists only to cause upset to those dumb enough to fall for his underhanded tactics. Someone who specifically targets the weak in order to inflict as much pain as possible. Someone who's exactly the same IRL as he is in game. In fact, he's writing this from his prison cell, after having ripped off several old ladies for their life savings.

Are you seeing how this works?

I doubt it. I doubt it very much indeed.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-02-06 15:37:54 UTC
voorsk wrote:
The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police! Idea


Fixed your post.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-02-06 15:41:04 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:

It sounds like you're trying to twist the words of a valid TAX PAYERS opinion into some kind of scare tactic. He can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.


WTF does anyone's tax paying status have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm starting to agree with the other folks that think you're just bat **** crazy.

Also, on the second point, you're wrong. Even the US First Amendment has its limits. Even more so in a private internet forum, such as this one.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2013-02-06 15:45:44 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.

Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.


What promise are you blathering about?

Ah, my bad. Posting on a small tablet, mixed the quotes. ^_^
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#149 - 2013-02-06 15:48:07 UTC
Vojk wrote:
Someone who enjoys the suffering of others, and isn't concerned about how his actions may affect people outside of this game. Some who exists only to cause upset to those dumb enough to fall for his underhanded tactics. Someone who specifically targets the weak in order to inflict as much pain as possible. Someone who's exactly the same IRL as he is in game. In fact, he's writing this from his prison cell, after having ripped off several old ladies for their life savings.

Are you seeing how this works?

I doubt it. I doubt it very much indeed.


No I see how it works. I'm not saying it's the case 100% of the time. Just because you kill someone in Eve and rub it in their face doesn't mean you'd do the same in the real world and do the same to their grieving family. You are taking my words out of context for your own needs. Sad.

But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.

De'Veldrin wrote:
voorsk wrote:
The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police! Idea


Fixed your post.


Like this person above.

I can't help but wonder what some employers would think about that? Knowing their employees are that way?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#150 - 2013-02-06 15:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Stuff about us all being sick individuals because we act like asshats in a game


Some of us have no problems separating real life from a game, Eve brings out the darker side of human nature and allows you to delight in being underhanded, deceitful, and otherwise a nasty person. This does not mean we're the same in real life.

Some of the so called sickos are amongst the most helpful people in the game, to those that display the right attitude when they explode. If you going to cry and throw a tantrum in local or private chat, you should expect people to ridicule you for it. However if you ask pertinent questions and display a positive attitude about your recent explosion then you usually get decent answers, helpful advice and occasionally your ship replaced.

If anyone has a problem it's the guy that took it into the real world, taking an internet spaceships grudge that far is totally out of order. If people can't separate virtual worlds and the real world then they should GTFO of whatever virtual world they're in.

Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2013-02-06 15:57:03 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:


But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.

De'Veldrin wrote:
voorsk wrote:
The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police! Idea


Fixed your post.


Like this person above.

I can't help but wonder what some employers would think about that? Knowing their employees are that way?



What part of my post you quoted above is, in any way, rubbing salt into any wounds? I merely stated that if I felt that I, or my family, were being threatened, I would take steps to end that threat in a swift, forceful, and permanent manner. There may be repercussions for me after the fact, but knowing my family is safe trumps that concern.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#152 - 2013-02-06 15:57:48 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
More pointless twisted words as per usual of the bumpers.


You're well known as an intellectual puppet of James' merry band, so I shouldn't even bother to reply, but you people seem so hyped up to label me, despite numerous statements in the past, as approving of the stalking. So I'll just rebut your statement here.

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Some of us have no problems separating real life from a game, Eve brings out the darker side of human nature and allows you to delight in being underhanded, deceitful, and otherwise a nasty person. This does not mean we're the same in real life.


Indeed. As I said before. Murder in eve does not mean you'd murder in the real. But taking joy from wringing someone for tears at a loss even after a few days of it, just to get them to react, is wrong, and anyone who does that is mostly likely not a pleasant person in the real. Try to defend it all you like, but it's simple logic. Your actions in a game are not magically disconnected from you.

Quote:
Some of the so called sickos are amongst the most helpful people in the game, to those that display the right attitude when they explode. If you going to cry and throw a tantrum in local or private chat, you should expect people to ridicule you for it. However if you ask pertinent questions and display a positive attitude about your recent explosion then you usually get decent answers, helpful advice and occasionally your ship replaced.


Indeed they are. A lot of PvPers are still quite helpful to their victims and I am forever grateful that they maintain that. However, the culture of tear collection is making this type of glorious PvP'er a rare breed. If someone whines or cries, sure some teasing is in order. Continuing to the point where they rage hard, and you STILL egg them on? That's your fault.

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If anyone has a problem it's the guy that took it into the real world, taking an internet spaceships grudge that far is totally out of order. If people can't seperate virtual worlds and the real world then they should GTFO of whatever virtual world they're in.


The same could be said for griefers enjoying their victims pain and grief IRL. If you take such joy in causing pain, you should take a step back and check yourself.

Quote:
Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.


Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-02-06 16:04:47 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.


You talk about flawed logic, but you don't see where you're coming up short, as with statements like this. If you follow the same course, then players should have their real life bank accounts drained if they get robbed in-game. That's ludicrous.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Vojk
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2013-02-06 16:08:59 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:


You are taking my words out of context for your own needs. Sad.

But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.



If you want to look at a case where something's been taken out of context and blown out of all proportion, read back through your own posts and reflect on them awhile.

My in game activities say nothing about the person behind my character. My motivations and actions within this game do not reflect those I posses and enact in real life. I find it laughable that you sit in this thread, pontificating about the low moral fibre of those who upset the 'victim', and yet appear to be blissfully ignorant of the ramifications of his subsequent actions and everything they say about him.

You're evidently unable to separate reality from game, and consider them both to be equally as important, in much the same way as the aforementioned 'victim'.

Either that or you're a Class A troll.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#155 - 2013-02-06 16:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
More pointless twisted words as per usual of the bumpers.


You're well known as an intellectual puppet of James' merry band


Woooo I'm e-famous, by the way the phrase intellectual puppet is an oxymoron.

I'm now going to steal a line from a signature over on Failheap

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In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#156 - 2013-02-06 16:40:17 UTC
Vojk wrote:
You're evidently unable to separate reality from game, and consider them both to be equally as important, in much the same way as the aforementioned 'victim'.


And you seem incapable of understanding that your actions as a player do carry over to real life. If you were running around screaming IM A POD PILOT LOOK AT MY SHIP, then I would admit yes you have a problem separating a game from reality. But your interactions with other people (being causing grief and enjoying it) in an MMORPG, the actions YOU take as a player, as a person, reflect your character.

And it does not reflect well. Just because you act in a horrid manner in a game does not give you a free pass for your actions.
Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#157 - 2013-02-06 16:46:53 UTC
I had a modicum of sympathy for Theory666 until I realised he is a 2006 toon... He should have done his research, learned the game mechanics, and by now, know that Eve is cold and dark and to HTFU.

There is no excuse, none, for him hassling these guys in real life. There is no half-arsed, intellectually bankrupt justification that anyone can cook up for his actions. I don't care if they followed him round and blew up his ship every ten minutes for the whole 25 hours he was in their corp.

There seems to be a fair amount of people venting about griefing. Perhaps you should go and show someone where the bad person touched your spaceship, because I didn't see any of it in the chatlogs I just read.
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.
voorsk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2013-02-06 16:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: voorsk
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Quote:
Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.


Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.

Theory666 went from his ship being blown up to trying to find personal details in under 30 minutes. I know I'm only seeing one side of the story, but that doesn't leave much room for 'trolling'.

I do agree that some people can go too far when harvesting the tears, and I think Skunkworks went too far in this case. I think they should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, or at least when it became evident that he was a bit unhinged, coz after that it was kinda like bullying.

When someone sheds a couple of in-game tears a bit, that's fun. When someone keeps on crying, and gets more and more angry, then that's a sign that you're causing them real mental anguish (no matter how ludicrous the circumstances might be), and should stop that crud immediately.

None of that justifies RL harassment, btw. And the whole mental anguish thing is a bit of a grey area in EVE. I bet a corp losing all its assets to a theft causes far more mental anguish, and CCP endorse that kind've thing.
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#159 - 2013-02-06 16:55:53 UTC
voorsk wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Quote:
Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.


Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.

Theory666 went from his ship being blown up to trying to find personal details in under 30 minutes. I know I'm only seeing one side of the story, but that doesn't leave much room for 'trolling'.

I do agree that some people can go too far when harvesting the tears, and I think Skunkworks went too far in this case. They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying.

When someone sheds a couple of in-game tears a bit, that's fun. When someone keeps on crying, and gets more and more angry, then that's a sign that you're causing them real mental anguish, and should stop that crud immediately.


At last! A voice of reason!

Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.
Vojk
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-02-06 16:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vojk
Unit CA108AF wrote:


And it does not reflect well. Just because you act in a horrid manner in a game does not give you a free pass for your actions.



Yes, it does, it's a ******* game you utter spanner.

This is my last post on the subject as you're evidently upset.