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[Discuss] The possibility of an IPO
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Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-02-06 14:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Syds Sinclair
..I don't have to know the people. My perception of a person has no bearing on a topic such as this.
All I need to know for an IPO like this is the business plan and the amount of security.

Yes I did point fingers. I pointed them at an IPO proposal which leaves 17b of investor ISK at risk.
I also pointed fingers at a person who is acting like a shill and acting like he's/(she's) in cahoots with the originator of a risky IPO.
I don't see a problem wih either of those actions. Why do you?

My standards are high, as you should take notice of the high standard of IPO quality I encourage originators to comply with.
You, Claire, seem to be okay with low quality IPOs.

And finally Claire, this is Eve. Better yet, this is the MD forum of Eve. There ARE scammers everywhere. Maybe you should go watch the "Eve is real" video by CCP.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#82 - 2013-02-06 14:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Coffee
I'm not sure why I keep replying, but whatever.

I know what is the risk of investments, I actually do invest, do you?
I don't invest something I can't afford to lose. did you read that part in THAT post?
There are scammers around, but there are a lot of decent people around too that don't get fingers pointed at them and screamed at "LOOK, HIS IS A GOOD GUY". - you call it being a Shill, I call it having high standards and supporting worthy people.

If a person is doing good, follows agreements, achieving stuff, I have NO problem recommending this person. Especially if the person is new to trading and marketing.
If the person decides to take another course of action, then I will not be able to recommend that person again. And probably will not be recommending anyone else. But so far, I'm yet to slip. Hopefully not at all.

This is EVE but there are living and breathing people behind the wheels. Some are good, some are bad. But calling someone good or bad based on assumption is not my style of doing things.

Thanks.

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Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-02-06 15:07:22 UTC
..I didn't call the person good or bad. I called the iPO plan bad.

Not on assumption. My claims were based in facts.

On the topic of people.

You Claire seem like a cool person. You post a lot and create content. Your posts are good reads.
As for Saveritrader, he's seems like a cool dude also. Well formed posts and polite.

I wouldn't have a problem with flying with either of you, or discussing different areas of conversation.
I don't think either of you are bad people.

The IPO, however. Your adamant defense of Sav, however.
That I don't care for.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#84 - 2013-02-06 22:43:28 UTC
Wow this thread has really took a turn to the negative. It was quite supposed to be a somewhat constructive thread in the first place, with a little back and forth on some points.

I am sorry for ever asking about this, to be quite honest.
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2013-02-06 22:49:15 UTC
..Sav, I think you have a problem seeing the forest through the trees.

What you call negative IS the constructive back and forth.

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Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#86 - 2013-02-06 23:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Saveritrader
Yeah I am more talking about Jerry and VV's back and forth about investigations and blaming eachother. I do have to say that in the conversation with VV, it has been brought up that the BPOs should be locked by a 3rd party. The fact that jerry thinks I'm an alt of VV, that I can confirm is not the case.

Make it however you want to believe me, but honestly... Paranoia has gone a bit too far with some.

I also don't know where jerry got the idea that I can't manufacture anything from, because stating as my posts I do not need to put out an eveboard link because this is not an IPO. This is a discussion thread. All I can say is that whatever I plan on manufacturing, I am fully capable of doing as such. Why else would I even bring up the point of setting up an IPO in production, if I was not capable of doing so?

I am sorry if I caused any trouble, because that was not my intention. I do however think that this case is pretty much closed already, since my future production IPOs will be secured.
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-02-06 23:09:04 UTC
..Oh I see, yeah the Jerry and VV thing should have been handled in its own thread.

But ignoring that, it looks like this bread accomplished exactly what you wanted it to: ironing out a solid IPO plan. So awesome, good job.

I'd like to see this venture launched. If I were you, I'd start a some conversations with Grendel, Chib, and maybe VV so see what they can do as far as locking the BPO's down.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#88 - 2013-02-06 23:14:14 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..Oh I see, yeah the Jerry and VV thing should have been handled in its own thread.

But ignoring that, it looks like this bread accomplished exactly what you wanted it to: ironing out a solid IPO plan. So awesome, good job.

I'd like to see this venture launched. If I were you, I'd start a some conversations with Grendel, Chib, and maybe VV so see what they can do as far as locking the BPO's down.



For now, I'll give this plan a rest and update it frequently. I will concentrate on filling my current bond and go from there.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#89 - 2013-02-06 23:26:33 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..Oh I see, yeah the Jerry and VV thing should have been handled in its own thread.


the you & claire coffee sperg could use its own thread as well. he seems to hate the word shill, but its a good word

Saveritrader wrote:
Yeah I am more talking about Jerry and VV's back and forth about investigations and blaming eachother. I do have to say that in the conversation with VV, it has been brought up that the BPOs should be locked by a 3rd party. The fact that jerry thinks I'm an alt of VV, that I can confirm is not the case.


i didn't say u an alt of vv,

Saveritrader wrote:

Make it however you want to believe me, but honestly... Paranoia has gone a bit too far with some.

I also don't know where jerry got the idea that I can't manufacture anything from, because stating as my posts I do not need to put out an eveboard link because this is not an IPO.


pretty obvious you don't have the skills for it, there is only "a motive" to not post it.

your thread was stomped by 2nd rate trolls on page 1/2 the rest of it is just sperg

@JerryTPepridge
Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#90 - 2013-02-06 23:40:36 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

We had a discussion about his lack of BPOs and how ideally these IPOs are done by locking BPOs at a 3rd party.
The OP can confirm this point.

The rest - of course - you throw statements without having been there but that's not unexpected off yours.


no, you didn't, you may have had a discussion about some BPO's but thats not public record is it?

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
he got the characters manufacturing skills and the BPOs


read it how you want.

op is your alt for all we know, OP cannot confirm anything.



It's the last line that I'm getting at.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#91 - 2013-02-06 23:44:22 UTC
Saveritrader wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

We had a discussion about his lack of BPOs and how ideally these IPOs are done by locking BPOs at a 3rd party.
The OP can confirm this point.

The rest - of course - you throw statements without having been there but that's not unexpected off yours.


no, you didn't, you may have had a discussion about some BPO's but thats not public record is it?

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
he got the characters manufacturing skills and the BPOs


read it how you want.

op is your alt for all we know, OP cannot confirm anything.



It's the last line that I'm getting at.


Yes or no.

If you were VV on an alternate account. It would be impossible to prove.

yes
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#92 - 2013-02-06 23:48:33 UTC
Saveritrader wrote:

It's the last line that I'm getting at.


ah ok, well that isn't a statement, its just a generalization of a known fact.

there is simply no distinguishable API proof that any 2 different characters are actually 2 different real life players.

wasn't trying to personal attack. sorry if u misread.

this thread is over anyway, read candy gimick post and re-do, if u got colateral no-one gonna argue.

although even locking down bpo's with s 3rd party its always a risk, albeit a small one.

@JerryTPepridge
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#93 - 2013-02-07 01:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Coffee
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..I didn't call the person good or bad. I called the iPO plan bad.

Not on assumption. My claims were based in facts.

On the topic of people.

You Claire seem like a cool person. You post a lot and create content. Your posts are good reads.
As for Saveritrader, he's seems like a cool dude also. Well formed posts and polite.

I wouldn't have a problem with flying with either of you, or discussing different areas of conversation.
I don't think either of you are bad people.

The IPO, however. Your adamant defense of Sav, however.
That I don't care for.


Now I'm happy that we've come to this :-)
No hard feelings and I hope no one gets out of here murdered a little inside. Except Jerry Big smileCool

@Jerry: I actually like the word Shill. It's quite lovely. Just not my case as I'm not THAT much emotional, but I'm definitely supportive while there are many troll-ponnies like you around. P Oh and troll-pony is a lovely word too. Big smile

P.S.: I apologize to VV and Sav actually, cause it was my suggestion to make a thread here. Should have known what was to come Oops

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#94 - 2013-02-07 04:21:54 UTC
Claire Coffee wrote:

@Jerry: I actually like the word Shill. It's quite lovely. Just not my case as I'm not THAT much emotional, but I'm definitely supportive while there are many troll-ponnies like you around. P Oh and troll-pony is a lovely word too. Big smile

P.S.: I apologize to VV and Sav actually, cause it was my suggestion to make a thread here. Should have known what was to come Oops


nothing personal either claire, call me what u want, just dont call me late for dinner!

@JerryTPepridge
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#95 - 2013-02-07 04:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Claire Coffee wrote:

@Jerry: I actually like the word Shill. It's quite lovely. Just not my case as I'm not THAT much emotional, but I'm definitely supportive while there are many troll-ponnies like you around. P Oh and troll-pony is a lovely word too. Big smile

P.S.: I apologize to VV and Sav actually, cause it was my suggestion to make a thread here. Should have known what was to come Oops


nothing personal either claire, call me what u want, just dont call me late for dinner!


Wait. When was dinner?

nobody here told me when dinner was :(

So I ate some noodles like an irritated gorilla.

Upon extended thinking I think I have a pretty good understanding of what dinner in MD would be like


Random Person 1: "REQUESTING LOAN OF MASHED POTATOES. NO COLLATERAL"

Random Person 2: *Slams fist on table rattling dishes* SCAM.

Alex Grison: "At least offer the green beans as collateral for the mashed potatoes"

VV: "I have conducted an audit on the mashed potatoes. All of the ingredients were present."

Random Person 2: *Sends mashed potatoes sliding down the table uncontrollably to Random Person 1"

Random Person 1: "Potatoes Received."

Random Person 1: Five Minutes Later: "LOAN REPORT 1. REMOVED 2 SCOOPS"

Alex Grison: *Crawls under the table pretending to be a carpenter ant*

Random Person 3: *Hears muffled shouts of "FOR THE COLONY!!" coming from under the table.*

yes
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#96 - 2013-02-07 05:59:33 UTC
haha pretty funny guy here

@JerryTPepridge
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#97 - 2013-02-07 06:15:28 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

nothing personal either claire, call me what u want, just dont call me late for dinner!


Of course... Once I dump bodies from previous fondue-party *shifting eyes from side to side*

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#98 - 2013-02-07 23:03:08 UTC
Claire Coffee wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

nothing personal either claire, call me what u want, just dont call me late for dinner!


Of course... Once I dump bodies from previous fondue-party *shifting eyes from side to side*


>_>

<_<

What Bodies?

yes
Tesal
#99 - 2013-02-07 23:45:11 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
haha pretty funny guy here


I declare thee to be a troll most foul.
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#100 - 2013-02-07 23:49:23 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:


>_>

<_<

What Bodies?


Well, I tried to poke those with a stick and none of them... oh wait!!!... one is moving... BRB!

EDIT: now... what was I saying? Oops Ah, yes.. I'm an awesome chef by the way.

[b]DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy[/b]