Missions & Complexes

My initial thoughts are that these may very well become the kings of suicide ganking. Battleship level weaponry means battleship level damage output, and who gives a rats ass about the tank on a boat CONCORD is going to shortly destroy?

I've always wondered that myself. Might be a cost issue, or even an opportunity cost issue with low/null-sec logistics in regards to minerals, industry, and moving hulls around.

Possibly the dumbest argument I've ever read. Go find a dev blog that says how they balance ships because all you guys are doing is yelling opinions, at best.

BC hull with BS dps is going to rock, I don't see how this is even a question.

if anyone is confused, the announcement of the tier 3 (not tech 3) BC is at http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3001

sounds good, cant wait for stats. how many expansions will we have to wait for to see it live?

But um.. All ridiculous arguing aside.. On topic:

"They will be capable of similar damage output as a battleship but obviously all that damage comes at a price.They won‘t be able to tank like a battleship, but what they lack in the tanking department the right pilot should be able to somewhat make up for with speed and distance management." - Directly from the devblog

I'm guessing they'll be capable at pve just as any t1 battleship/drake can be, but will require micromanagement.. The damage output won't be ridiculously high, just as high as your average rated t2 fit raven, maybe a bit higher. The tank, however, will be lucky to match that of a drake I think.. and you'll have to do appropriate kiting and speed maneuvering.

All in all I think the CNRs, Tengus, Marauders and Machs will still trump it three times over but it won't be 'bad' per say.

Sidenote to end on: I think the Caldari one might be hybrid based, in my opinion anyways, just because they look better as gun boats riddled with turrets than model-less launchers and aesthetics are everything in the result of an art contest XD Before everyone freaks out just remember that Hybrid fixes are en route for the next expansion, don't lose hope!

CCP has described these new ships as being low on tank but fast. So we are relying on speed-tanking in these. Think a bigger and more cumbersome Tengu, a lower-tech version if you will, but just as fast.

The only way these new ships will be able to tank level 4s is if they can go faster than Tengus - because Tengus also have high resists, so the speed of Tier3 battlecruisers needs to be faster than Tengus to compensate.

And that means having enough potential powergrid available to fit a Battleship-sized 100MN Afterburner to these ships to reach that high speed.

Lets hope they have this capability....

You mean 100 MN MICROWARP DRIVE?

If they can fit long range BS sized guns... They also can fit small range BS sized guns, and the smallest versions of them....AND be able to fit 100 MN MWD!

You are probably wrong.

Those ships are clearly meant to be glass-canons, and that wouldn't be the case if you could slap a trio or large extenders or plates on them. CCP obviously know that, too.

So how do you allow a ship to fit tachyons while preventing it to fit 100MN MWD and/or 1600 plates? You simply give it a 95% weapon powergrid fitting reduction role bonus, just like stealth bombers can use torp launchers, but not fit BS MWDs..

I get excited about my Tengu all the time.

I'd still use torp raven for dps in lvl5s. Utility high for cloak, a bit of tank so you don't have to warp out (torp cnr with a dg large shield booster manages that just barely), mwd to do mwd + cloak trick.

Or bomber if you are in hot area with many pirate.

also torp explosion bonus doesn't matter so much in lvl5s where you spend most of your time blowing up bs and structures.