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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-05 22:08:41 UTC
Hi !

First of all, i want you to know that i don't intend to scam you in any way !
Now that this is out of the way, let me tell you about this great opportunity that i want to share with you !

If you send me 10 Million ISK only, i wholeheartedly PROMISE you, that within ONLY TWO MINUTES
******* NOTHING will happen ! Nothing ! Believe me ! This is NO scam ! NOTHING will happen !

I did it TWICE and it worked BOTH TIMES !


(That actually made me money, because people found it to be funny. ^_^)
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#22 - 2013-02-05 23:23:16 UTC
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court. Keep your scam IN GAME! Also, I once found out the hard way imitation scams are a no no. So you can't claim to be someone else in the game, and you can't create an organization that looks very close to another.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2013-02-05 23:28:50 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court. Keep your scam IN GAME! Also, I once found out the hard way imitation scams are a no no. So you can't claim to be someone else in the game, and you can't create an organization that looks very close to another.


So youre saying I should trash my Goomswarn alliance idea?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-05 23:45:17 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court..


It's pretty hard to take civil action against a random person in another country.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#25 - 2013-02-06 00:01:24 UTC
Hippy Kie Yay wrote:
So a Large Alliance offering systems for rent and keeping your deposit when negotiations break down is acceptable besides any bad press it may generate ?


This is course de rigeuer for nullsec. Even better is if you can convince an industrial corporation that you really truly want to get your nullsec industrial infrastructure kick started. Get them to pack up several freighters with POS structures, BPOs, ships and resources. Tell them you will escort them to their new home system. Then meet them in EC-P8R and once they have all jumped in, blow them up and **** on their corpses.

Don't worry about the bad press, you can use it in your favour to show that some corps were unable to keep a lid on the operation, they told their friends who told their friends who compromised the operation and it was those loose lips that sunk the industrial ships. A horrible accident that could surely have been avoided if only the industrial corp directors had kept their plans secret.

This scam should be even more effective now due to The Mittani & Co making noises about "farms and fields" — which is of course CFC speak for "chumps who will act as bait for our enemies so we can have gudfites in home territory." You the nullsec holders are not interested in what it takes to get the chumps out there, but the chumps are willing to believe that you want to add their industrial and technological uniqueness to your own.

This scam is especially profitable for people who don't even hold sovereignty in nullsec: you have no sov bills to pay so apart from the ships and clones you will lose in EC-P8R, it's all profit.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#26 - 2013-02-06 08:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
The only thing I've ever heard ccp confirm as griefing has been can flipping in rookie systems. Seen warnings issued over it as well.

That being said however, I am not sure that the same safety net would apply when it comes to market scams directed at new players.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-02-06 10:29:34 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court. Keep your scam IN GAME! Also, I once found out the hard way imitation scams are a no no. So you can't claim to be someone else in the game, and you can't create an organization that looks very close to another.


Isk has no real world value so it can't be fraud.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-02-06 14:26:47 UTC
Hippy Kie Yay wrote:
So a Large Alliance offering systems for rent and keeping your deposit when negotiations break down is acceptable besides any bad press it may generate ?

Yes.

I have to ask, because I was following a conversation yesterday that sounds exactly like what your describing. Did you get caught in a rent scam?

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#29 - 2013-02-06 14:35:41 UTC
Funny true story, once visiting a noob system I started giving isk away to less then a day players and one got mad at me for giving them iskShockedgo figure.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#30 - 2013-02-06 14:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Ranger 1 wrote:


However, folks on this forum will rapidly point out in your thread(s) that it is a scam, so you'll only pick off the truly abysmally stupid.

Of which there are a great many; you should be golden.


Solstice Project wrote:
Hi !

First of all, i want you to know that i don't intend to scam you in any way !
Now that this is out of the way, let me tell you about this great opportunity that i want to share with you !

If you send me 10 Million ISK only, i wholeheartedly PROMISE you, that within ONLY TWO MINUTES
******* NOTHING will happen ! Nothing ! Believe me ! This is NO scam ! NOTHING will happen !

I did it TWICE and it worked BOTH TIMES !


(That actually made me money, because people found it to be funny. ^_^)

Yup.
Has made me ISKies also. Sometimes, I offer to mock them in Local, and that seems to work even better for some reason.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#31 - 2013-02-06 18:27:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court. Keep your scam IN GAME! Also, I once found out the hard way imitation scams are a no no. So you can't claim to be someone else in the game, and you can't create an organization that looks very close to another.

So youre saying I should trash my Goomswarn alliance idea?

I would think CCP would give you a little more lateral on the goons Big smile
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court..

It's pretty hard to take civil action against a random person in another country.

So in other words: legally actionable if not reasonable. Probably.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-02-06 23:20:59 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court. Keep your scam IN GAME! Also, I once found out the hard way imitation scams are a no no. So you can't claim to be someone else in the game, and you can't create an organization that looks very close to another.

So youre saying I should trash my Goomswarn alliance idea?

I would think CCP would give you a little more lateral on the goons Big smile
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Be careful of the line though... if you are offering ISK for something in RL like a website or some programming or something, you just exited new eden and entered civil court..

It's pretty hard to take civil action against a random person in another country.

So in other words: legally actionable if not reasonable. Probably.


If the real word value of the goods doesn't reach a certain point, you'll get laughed at & ignored. As for taking civil action, the onus is on you to find out exactly who you're taking action against. The courts aren't going to entertain a civil case against a computer game avatar.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#33 - 2013-02-06 23:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If the real word value of the goods doesn't reach a certain point, you'll get laughed at & ignored. As for taking civil action, the onus is on you to find out exactly who you're taking action against. The courts aren't going to entertain a civil case against a computer game avatar.


A guy got murdered in RL over an in game item a few years ago, in china I think. And last year Mittani suggested that his minions attempt to drive a guy to commit suicide. There was a case in Massachusetts in 2011 I think where a girl commited suicide after extensive online bullying, immediately after that anti-cyber bullying laws were passed, and the schools started developing cyber bullying programs.

I'm not saying these things are right, wrong, or at all important, but they did happen, and they did result in far reaching legal action.

What happened to that guy mittens jokingly suggested be ganked again...and again...and again until something terrible happened?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#34 - 2013-02-07 00:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
What happened to that guy? He recently posted a thread showing his 100-strong mining fleet undocking. Well, a character with the same name has done so, at any rate.

Anyone who followed the story at the time will be aware that the guy was unaware of the media scandal until journalists started asking him about how devastated he must have been (because journalists never ask, " how do you feel" they asked, "describe your outrage over this incident.")

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#35 - 2013-02-07 00:16:29 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

What happened to that guy mittens jokingly suggested be ganked again...and again...and again until something terrible happened?

About a week later someone found him in game, asked him about it, and he barely even remembered the convo that was quoted... admitted he was full of it in that convo too trying to get the aggressors to feel sorry for them so he wouldn't lose anything.

In other words, Mittens cause no issues with his drunken antics, other than the backlash against himself.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#36 - 2013-02-07 00:35:36 UTC
Anything inside the game goes, pretty much. Hense why EvE is full of dicks of the highest order, more than happy to relieve you of your isk and goods, followed by your life. It's best to approach everything as a potential scam. Once you've given someone something, it's theirs!

Though as stated in above posts, there are occations where it can bleed into the real world. This is where people need to be careful. You can steal everything someone has, kill them repeatedly and curse their corpse, but as soon as you start saying things about people in the "real-world", thats when things like legality come into effect. Plenty of real-world examples of how people have devistated and destroyed peoples lives, remotely, via the internet. I still think the crazy sword wielding lunatic was the best example. He really, really wanted that sword. The mittens should have known better, considering his position, to walk the line from in-game irrelevancies to real-life threats. I wasn't surprised in the least it blew up in his face!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#37 - 2013-02-07 00:49:28 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
What happened to that guy? He recently posted a thread showing his 100-strong mining fleet undocking. Well, a character with the same name has done so, at any rate.

Anyone who followed the story at the time will be aware that the guy was unaware of the media scandal until journalists started asking him about how devastated he must have been (because journalists never ask, " how do you feel" they asked, "describe your outrage over this incident.")


Wow, guess he's is none the worse for wear. Great soundtrack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoaW0vyKR8&feature=youtu.be
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