Missions & Complexes

Before I start off I would like to point out that the Incursion content has been out for a good while now . Fortunately / unfortunately I have been in a position where I had to make the fleet compositions and ship fits , tactics to make it work in the best possible way . Because of that , as of late , I have come to realize that my work is done . I have no more fits to improve and no more fleet adjustments to do . The so called Incursion End game content of Sansha Headquarters to myself now is almost the same as lvl 4's . Therefore I have come up with a couple of ideas .

HQ suggestions .

3 - 5 site types . Adjusted rats to implement new key roles into HQ fleets .

Examples :

1) Add a transmission tower 200km off the general fleet . It would serve as a beacon for Sansha elite interceptors to burn to with the aim to call in overwhelming reinforcements to aid them in the battle right away . Can be countered by engaging fleets interceptors reaching the beacon first and neutralizing the Sansha forces in that location and sending out a signal to support their own fleet with increased buffs to avoid severe losses in the later stages of the fleets battle because the Sansha forces were only delayed and will arrive anyway . This would require a fast frigate with a local tank / frigate sized logi ? and proper skill set to dispatch the Sansha targets on the beacon .

2) Add a ship type that has to be neuted dry to be killed ( Bhalls get a good spot though should be doable in a neut fitted BS ) . Fleet gets a role for a Neut fitted ship with a scanner to confirm that the cap of the target is dry .

3) Add a Sansha ongrid booster . One that would be in a very fast frigate and provide enormous boosts to the Sansha fleet . Would orbit out at 70km with such traversals that Battleship guns can not hit it unless the fleet has a Recon ship to web it down at that distance and ( paint it ? ) kill it with cruiser / frigate / drone support .

4) Add an option of triggers . The fleet can choose which ones to kill that way choosing what support Sansha will get and what they will have to battle next .

5) Add a time frame in which the fleet needs to complete the objective . If the fleet can not do it on time it gets gradually overrun by more and more Sansha support and their ships eventually get alphaed one by one if they choose to stay in the site . No tackle on grid from Sansha side to keep the option to warp the fleet off at any given time .

6) Add bonuss ships . A super hard to catch / kill Sansha FC ship which , if tackled ( if not he simply warps off to form a new fleet of Sansha ships ) and killed , would give a good bonus drop ( module / isk / .. a unique ammo charge with a short expiry time that can be used only in Incursion systems and would alpha a key target in your next site if you have the necessary modules on your ship to actually make use of it ) .

7) Add mandatory positioning . Move or die . Possibly a bomber wave to bomb the fleet / parts of the fleet if they simply sit still like ducks in a pond .

The Kundalini Manifest .

1) Add an ability for the supercaps to escape if in danger of being blown to bits . Which supercap pilot would not jump out if he is about to die and he can escape ?

2) Add a timeframe in which a support fleet of subcaps and caps warp in to assist the Sansha mothership if the fleet engaging it fails to kill it on time .
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Sites should be doable in PvP / PvE T2 fit Battleships / Cruisers / Frigates in a decent time frame if the fleet and the pilots are properly skilled / fitted . Of course the rewards for such a task should be appropriate if the fleet in successful .

Best regards
Kodavor .


P.S. Assault sites would need some adjustments to take the weight of the majority of the incursion pilots if HQ sites are made into The End Game PvE content that is not meant to be easy . Personally I dislike the fact that in NCN's the fleet needs 2 FC's to complete the site in comparison to the other two sites where one FC is sufficient . I would not mind various small tasks on the same grid but splitting the fleet up is what it makes unattractive for myself .

On top of all that Vanguard sites could use some touch ups too, nothing major but for example more randomization in the waves. Wouldn't it be a surprise in NMC/OTA to get a sniper wave instead of the Auga/Romi/Deltoles, nothing more exciting than to expect the unexpected.

Would love to hear some more ideas of little things we can do to make Incursions better :)

Have more than Sansha incursions. Have Angel Cartel Incursions, Gurista incursions, etc. Just to mix things up a bit.

This is why the OP used the term ‘End Game’, these changes are not being suggested to make Incursions more accessible, the changes would make them less accessible, but I believe there is a very specific group that would do these.
The difficulty of an incursions site comes from finding 10, 20, or 40 pilots, not in doing the site. As most people would agree that once you have the numbers the rest is just F1.
Mandatory roles are already present in NCN’s and they are currently avoided mostly due to the inconvenience of bringing a second ship to an incursion for the occasional chance that it might be needed.




The entire game is built on denying access to content till the proper tribute has been paid, be it skill points or experience. Allowing HQ’s to be run by any Tom, Richard, or Harry that shows up has been fun but not practical. There should be an expected level of difficulty that ensures AKF pilots and multi-boxing pilots don’t participate in the active fleet, this is not mining and it should not have that level of pilots involved. Additionally from a Min / Max point of view there should be a site that challenges Toons that have MAX trained all their ships skills, and want a place to test those skills to the limit.



I have seen many attempts to sabotage fleet both from inside and outside the fleet. Originally the answer to this was a ban list owned by FC’s, this progressed to building communities that were invite only, and of course those communities had their own sense of pride that protected them and made their exclusivity a lure for upcoming pilots and for Elite griefiers. The original griefer (With-holding Logi) was cured by redundancy. Other attempts at griefing Incursion fleets have been fixed with vetting processes and closed doors. Yes there will be the chance to grief, but there will only be one chance, and as soon as the offender is known the chance is never available for them again. (I personally boot them from fleet in the site, and call someone up from the waiting list)
The idea that is proposed is not for the public channel Incursion fleets, it’s for establish communities with a roster of trusted pilots that do their job every time, and trust the fleet to support them as they support the fleet.

Scout sites are unused to my knowledge, perhaps we need to consider trashing them altogether and setting VG’s as the intro sites, as they can be done with 9Dps and one logi (don’t troll We’ve been doing it for months that way) and then create a ‘Sansha Terror’ System in the Incursions with rewards 4X the current payouts and the difficulty set at the level suggested. Possiblly allowing the low sec mechanics of gate camps and roaming Sansha this should make travel in the system without fleet escort suicide. Of course no camps on the travel gates, I was thinking on the spawn gates.

Well nerfing VG sites further would kill already decimated armour fleets and put the final death nail in lo/NULL SEC incursions

Scout sites need to be worth doing. If someone can't find a fleet, it would be better to have at least something to do.

If op's proposals for hq sites were to happen, there should be new sites for it. Possibly having these super tricky sites made for smaller fleets. The hard part is fleeting up. If the site difficulty goes up, fleeting difficulty should go down (a la smaller more leet fleets.) Also, more deaths! In the case of fast frigs being required, a suicide mission would encourage t1 frigs and would be awsum. And how about suicide sites? Fleet of t1 cruisers and frigs where only 1 or 2 guys are expected to survive and payout accordingly. It would be pretty fun to compete with your own fleet to be last man standing.

So much potential for incursions, but they totally feel like abandonware.

I remember when I first started, I saw flashing ads in the Quarters talking about this incursion into this system or that system.

I even took a trip out to one of the constellations that one was going down.

Problem is that I found out is that the Incursions have no content unless you are pimped out in ships and equiptment that a newer player can not do. I was kind of disappointed.

Maybe add "novice" content that characters that do not have bigger ships can do and limit that content to destroyers and below like FW complexes?

Also, why does it always have to be Sansha? I would love to see some of the other pirate nations get a bit more "proactive". Extra points if I can actually join the pirates and help them with thier incursion.

I would take my T1 frig and become a belt rat if it meant Concord would not come for me during an incursion.

I think everyone would agree that the current content is serviceable, I wouldn't want to get rid of missions and I certainly don’t want to make Incursions unattainable for people
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But that being said, I fly with 20 to 50 people every day that find the best PVE, EVE has to offer, to be lacking. I don’t go back and do lvl2 missions but I know there are some that find them challenging. I no longer have a challenge to take my skills and rig into that seems appropriate.

Low sec Incursions are the same as high sec Incursions only difference being the guaranteed eventual gank fleet looking for opportune Kill mails. The high standards required to effectively do Incursions while similar in principal to PVP are not PVP capable, and are therefore only feasible with large alliances that bring two fleets one to manage the Incursion and one to deal with the opportunist.