EVE General Discussion

Kill them before they kill you. People aren't going to be happy with themselves when they lose their pimped cynabal or a few t3s to a bunch of noobs in drakes or t1 cruisers. The deck isn't stacked. You just have to hit them where it hurts, their killboard. Groups of bad players have always been able to defeat groups of better players. They just have to try.



Defenders don't need to bother with wardecs, they can just drop and evade them all they want. They don't need to worry about fighting them. Which brings me to another point...



The problem is that wardec evasion is that it has been such a good way to defend yourself from group pvp that people simply never learn how to or don't bother to use any sort of tactic to defend themselves. Why bother going through all of that when you can just drop corp? You can't just take out a major component of the game (combat) because it makes people complacent with the current unbalanced situation they are in and causes them to never experience that major component of the game and to avoid it at all costs. Then they dip their toe into the pool and realize it's not all that bad, making them willing to play the game on an equal playing field with everyone else, and play the game the way it was meant to be played.

There's a reason why there are very few big and effective highsec player groups. It's because there is simply no need for people to join them, or for anyone who knows what they are doing to form one.

I haven't seen any posts by people complaining that ganking is too expensive compared to wardecs in this thread. I'm fairly certain Bat Country would contest that point considering how much they make ganking freighters.


Please explain. Not too long ago my corp wardecced another and we got our asses handed to us. I'd call that some real consequence.


Why would you wardec a null-sec alliance? That would be a waste of money since you can simply go to null and shoot them. If we didn't have NPC corps it might be worthwhile since they'd have to put their haulers under a banner of some sort that could be wardecced, but right now it'd be stupid to do so.


Why is it so wrong for people to bring spaceship PVP to others as a playstyle in the sandbox?


I take steps to avoid people shooting me every time I undock, why should I expect less of others?

The only thing stopping you doing that, is you. Which has been my point all along.

Unwilling PewPew does not and indeed never has needed a war dec.

You are unable to pilot this spacecraft due to license restrictions.

You are unable to use this jump gate to low / null sec due to licensing restrictions.

There's plenty of ways to curb sitting in NPC corps

You know, the reason for Tyrannis's failure could also just be that it isn't a particularly immersive or interesting experience either. It just wasn't anything special. You can't really jump to conclusions about why it failed without, you know, actually having a reasonably amount of data from people who left. So while I'm in agreeing that PI would be more interesting with some PvP aspects added to it, I'm pretty harshly against jumping to conclusions for the simple goal of promoting one's own viewpoint.



See, as an EVE UNI player, from my viewpoint, your reasoning doesn't seem to be why they're pushing corps like that at all to me. See, it took me several tries to even stick with EVE because I had no real sense of direction, end goal, or anything. The whole "what do I do now?" that the most recent minutes talk about. Joining a corp like E-UNI goes a looooong way towards fixing that because right now? Features to that end are rather lackluster, and CCP themselves admits it as such.

Anyways, something else you mentioned earlier, I agree with at least ending corp hopping to some extent. Either they stick with their corp and take the disadvantages as well as the advantages, or they're stuck without it for a prolonged period. Or hell, if they are logged to be prone to it, they're stuck with the wardec for a bit. Honestly though, one of my biggest problems with the wardec system is how its more expensive to go after those who can pretty clearly defend themselves over those who often its pretty obvious that its just for the sake of being a prick.



So you want to stop them from going to the places where you CAN shoot them with little or no consequence? Yeeeah... I'm not seeing the logic here if the reasoning is because of not wanting them to avoid such things.

I supposed you'd make the logical jump from: "the people you are talking about aren't just good at pvp evasion, they're good at discussion evasion as well.", that is :words:

to demonstrating that they are actually wrong (with CCP actually implementing PvP evasion nerfs), which needs :facts:

We need to do away with the fact null alliances use NPC corps to freely move there stuff avoiding the one way people could hurt them, attacking there supply lines Aka war dec and shoot the haulers moving things.

But they just use NPC corps to avoid that.

A miner who plays one hour a day is still useful to any corp because he helps to supply minerals to the corp's home station. Or maybe the miner can fly a T1 cruiser and gets involved in a fight to help defend his corp's honour. It doesn't matter how often you log in, how old your character is, or how insignificant your contribution is. Your presence helps out your corporation. Groups like mine have proven this to be true.

Player groups are not monolithic in this game, as much as solo players would like to believe they are. They consist of multiple players all looking to achieve different goals. However, players usually have a shared goal that they are all trying to achieve together as a group, mostly being safe in the space that they live in. If you live in already safe places like highsec there is very little effort required in reaching your common goal, so you are mostly free to do what you like.

Your corporation (and to a degree, GS) are an exception not the rule. Most are still well stuck at being either a worthless "casuals industrials compound" ready to crack at the first sneeze OR quite involvement required, "if you are online you are on voice comms" or /kick.

I think this is where i come in.