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Osprey vs. Scythe
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Sevra Argentkin
Nunc est bibendum
#1 - 2013-02-05 21:00:15 UTC
Hello there good folks.

I was tinkering in EFT for a good fit for those T1 shield logistics cruisers and came up with the following:

Quote:
[Osprey, New Setup 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x2


Quote:
[Scythe, New Setup 1]
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot II x1

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As you can see, near identical fits in terms of tank, ECCM and Shield Transporters.

Scythe's got less buffer (and minimal less resists due to m4 DCU) but is faster and even got a bit more rep due to drone bonus. One could forgo a bit of repping power in order to make its tank pretty much equal, yes, by switching to less CPU intensive m4 Shield Transporters.
But the main advantage is, imo, it's not dependant on a cap buddy as it is stable.

So, my question is: Why would anyone use an Osprey over a Scythe if they got the choice? Or rather..: What am I missing?


Regards
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#2 - 2013-02-05 22:40:39 UTC
With decent skills you can easily run the 4/1 layout on an opsprey

[Osprey, RR 4/1 T2]
Damage Control II
Surrogate Gravimetric Reserve Array I
Co-Processor II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

So it can get a higher repping power. (But with drones it is pretty close for them both). But both ships are pretty good. The major advantage of the scythe is that it can work on its own. So if other logis gets jammed / killed you can still keep repping. Also they are a bit easier to fly since you dont have to manage cap chain.

The advantage of the osprey and the capchain is the neut resistance. Its much harder to neut out a solid cap chain. However the chain can be broken if ships gets destroyed or jammed so the pilots must be able to deal with it.

My own opinion is that if you have 1-2 logis, the scythe is best while 3 or more the ospreys are best. Because with a larger chain you can still keep it running even with some ships down. If you are only 2 ospreys its easier to counter them by just taking 1 of them out by jamming or killing it.

But aside from this, there are the stat differences. The scythe is slightly faster with lower sig while the opsrey have a bigger tank.

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Doctorkaba
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-06 01:41:08 UTC
Mizhir wrote:

The advantage of the osprey and the capchain is the neut resistance. Its much harder to neut out a solid cap chain. However the chain can be broken if ships gets destroyed or jammed so the pilots must be able to deal with it.


This completely. As an auguror pilot i find the 3/2 setup is very very good wehn you hare facing a fleet of NeeeuuuterssLol

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#4 - 2013-02-06 07:46:45 UTC
Doctorkaba wrote:
Mizhir wrote:

The advantage of the osprey and the capchain is the neut resistance. Its much harder to neut out a solid cap chain. However the chain can be broken if ships gets destroyed or jammed so the pilots must be able to deal with it.


This completely. As an auguror pilot i find the 3/2 setup is very very good wehn you hare facing a fleet of NeeeuuuterssLol


Even a 4/1 setup has an advantage over scythes when it comes to neut resistance. But it is all about managing the cycles.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#5 - 2013-02-06 09:34:56 UTC
AB Scythe > Doin it wrong.

In an AB role the Osprey is superior, there is no doubt however;

[Scythe, MWD]
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Damage Control II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

For a kiting role, a ship that goes 3K/s on heat before links is incredible useful.

The same argument can be made Basi/Scimi, the Basi reps more and is tankier, but the Scimi goes like the clappers.

Its different roles for different ships.
Sevra Argentkin
Nunc est bibendum
#6 - 2013-02-06 10:20:07 UTC
Ah!
Thanks for all the answers, that 'neut resistance' and possible switching to a 4/1 layout is totally making sense.
I'll consider that Scythe MWD fit as well, as it's sure rather built for skirmishes, yes!

Cheers
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-06 10:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: culo duro
I generally don't like Minmatar and Gallente RR. i prefer Amarr and Caldari, they do it for me.

personally i'd use this:
[Osprey, RR 4/1 T2]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x4

39k EHP, if all V.
it can tank 1337 DPS if repaired by same fit, whilst being cap stable at 48%.
it can do 64 DPS. Since this fit is aimed at having mutliple RR you can pick out frigates that go for you.
Resist: EM 76% Thermic 81% Kinetic 78% Explosive 77%.
7067 Shield.

And for a auguror fit:
[Auguror, RR 4/1 T2]
Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten I

Remote Sensor Booster II
Remote Sensor Booster II
Remote Sensor Booster II

Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I

4x Warrior II

26k EHP, if all V.
it can tank 1094 DPS if repaired by same fit, whilst being cap stable at 81%.
it can do 64 DPS. Since this fit is aimed at having mutliple RR you can pick out frigates that go for you.
Resist: EM 75% Thermic 74% Kinetic 74% Explosive 79%.
4688 Armor.

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Envenra Reignsun
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-06 12:41:46 UTC
culo duro wrote:
I generally don't like Minmatar and Gallente RR. i prefer Amarr and Caldari, they do it for me.

personally i'd use this:
[Osprey, RR 4/1 T2]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x4

39k EHP, if all V.
it can tank 1337 DPS if repaired by same fit, whilst being cap stable at 48%.
it can do 64 DPS. Since this fit is aimed at having mutliple RR you can pick out frigates that go for you.
Resist: EM 76% Thermic 81% Kinetic 78% Explosive 77%.
7067 Shield.

And for a auguror fit:
[Auguror, RR 4/1 T2]
Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
800MM Reinforced Rolled Tungsten

Remote Sensor Booster II
Remote Sensor Booster II
Remote Sensor Booster II

Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I

4x Warrior II

26k EHP, if all V.
it can tank 1094 DPS if repaired by same fit, whilst being cap stable at 81%.
it can do 64 DPS. Since this fit is aimed at having mutliple RR you can pick out frigates that go for you.
Resist: EM 75% Thermic 74% Kinetic 74% Explosive 79%.
4688 Armor.


And this is why armor tanking is sexier than shield tanking in some ways.

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