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Its official The Retriever is the New King of HI SEC
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-02-05 17:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Looking @ http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74231 every HI SEC ore except Kernite (why?) the Retriever reigns supreme.... mining more total ore then any other ship.
In non hi sec ores the Hulk still reigns probably becuase its safer in the deep blue doughnut where its used

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Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-02-05 18:42:47 UTC
ok

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-02-05 18:53:58 UTC
this doesn't bode well for Hulkageddon. Retrievageddon just doesn't have the same ring.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2013-02-05 18:54:09 UTC
Your assumption is faulty. You are basing kingship only on use, not on ore extracted, skill required, etc.

Retriever is the easiest ship to skill into that balances load, harvest time, and tank. This may be true, but it doesn't make the retriever king, just the most used work horse. It's like saying a pawn is the best piece in chess simply because a side has 8 of them.
Dave Stark
#5 - 2013-02-05 19:27:07 UTC
oh look, a blog proving what we all predicted long ago.

how boring.
Dave Stark
#6 - 2013-02-05 19:48:20 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
This may be true, but it doesn't make the retriever king, just the most used work horse.


actually, being the most used does make it king. so... it does.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-05 19:52:40 UTC
Seems to make sense.

Lots of HS miners seem to be more solo oriented. So the Retriever is a good choice. Also lots of lower skilled pilots. (I have 2 toons that can fly retrievers, before I decided I didnt want to mine as a profession).

Nullsec I would imagine has more organized indy corps mining, which is the intended role of the Hulk.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#8 - 2013-02-05 20:18:16 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
This may be true, but it doesn't make the retriever king, just the most used work horse.


actually, being the most used does make it king. so... it does.


Pawns are the most common piece on a chess board, they are not kings.
Infantry are the most common soldiers in battle, they are not kings of the battlefield.
Ford F series are the most common car registered in the US, they are not kings of the road.

Again, just because it's common, doesn't make it king. Kings are those viewed as excelling or being dominant. Hulls easily dominate retrievers in mining amount, macs in hold amount.
Connery Domino
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-05 20:18:58 UTC
Someone get a picture of a retriever with a crown pronto.
ziktreyon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#10 - 2013-02-05 20:35:47 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
This may be true, but it doesn't make the retriever king, just the most used work horse.


actually, being the most used does make it king. so... it does.


Pawns are the most common piece on a chess board, they are not kings.
Infantry are the most common soldiers in battle, they are not kings of the battlefield.
Ford F series are the most common car registered in the US, they are not kings of the road.

Again, just because it's common, doesn't make it king. Kings are those viewed as excelling or being dominant. Hulls easily dominate retrievers in mining amount, macs in hold amount.


^this

doesnt seem that complicated. yes, there are more retreivers than hulks in hisec where most of the new players are...thats surprising why?
Dave Stark
#11 - 2013-02-05 21:03:13 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
This may be true, but it doesn't make the retriever king, just the most used work horse.


actually, being the most used does make it king. so... it does.


Pawns are the most common piece on a chess board, they are not kings.
Infantry are the most common soldiers in battle, they are not kings of the battlefield.
Ford F series are the most common car registered in the US, they are not kings of the road.

Again, just because it's common, doesn't make it king. Kings are those viewed as excelling or being dominant. Hulls easily dominate retrievers in mining amount, macs in hold amount.


you don't pick what pieces you can put on a chess board.
your analogy is horrible.

congratulations you stated two mathematical facts, yet it still remains that the retriever is clearly dominant and thus the king. out of boredom i did the maths on it, you basically have to mine less than 1 jetcan per day, for 2 months to sit in a mackinaw.

are you trying to say the only reason retrievers are so abundant is because.... only characters younger than 2 months old are miners? aka they have no choice in what ship they can fly.
ziktreyon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#12 - 2013-02-05 21:32:27 UTC
no but most of the hisec miners are either less than two months old or they are more than two months old and cross training a lot of other skills (PVP PVE skills) so they dont have the time/desire to train the skills for exhumers. I think this is a bit silly especially for a new character but I know plenty of people do it.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-05 21:54:07 UTC
Iosue wrote:
Retrievageddon just doesn't have the same ring.


Retrieve a 'geddon? Alright. *goes to market to fetch an Armageddon*

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Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-02-05 22:30:25 UTC
Iosue wrote:
this doesn't bode well for Hulkageddon. Retrievageddon just doesn't have the same ring.


Hulkageddon is over, man. Welcome to 2013.

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stoicfaux
#15 - 2013-02-06 03:30:13 UTC
The Retriever Reaving? Re-reaving? Ret-reaving? Retreaving? Ugh, yeah, *-ageddon is dead.

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Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#16 - 2013-02-06 04:33:32 UTC
Its not the king it just means highsec is full of either people to god damn lazy to use a covetor and make more isk or havnt trained for a covetor yet.


Hulk is still the best ore, merc, ice miner period.
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#17 - 2013-02-06 04:52:48 UTC
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2013/01/30/news/web_photos/lab--300x300.jpg

My Retriever.

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Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-02-06 09:44:06 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Its not the king it just means highsec is full of either people to god damn lazy to use a covetor and make more isk or havnt trained for a covetor yet.


Theres a difference in covetor / retriever training ? Shocked

No but seriously, why use covetor if you just solomine casually like many retrievers do.
I can totally understand the more hardcore miners goin for hulks and whatnot for more yield in mining fleets.
FapFap McLotionhand
Storm Hunters
#19 - 2013-02-06 09:52:52 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2013/01/30/news/web_photos/lab--300x300.jpg

My Retriever.


so much win in one pic Lol

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Dave Stark
#20 - 2013-02-06 11:36:45 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Its not the king it just means highsec is full of either people to god damn lazy to use a covetor and make more isk or havnt trained for a covetor yet.


Theres a difference in covetor / retriever training ? Shocked

No but seriously, why use covetor if you just solomine casually like many retrievers do.
I can totally understand the more hardcore miners goin for hulks and whatnot for more yield in mining fleets.


yes, there is. the higher level of mining barge you have the bigger the gap in yield between the two ships.

sadly the guy still has no understanding that just because you mine more per cycle doesn't mean you mine more over all due to the fact that you waste so much time warping to and from the belt in a covetor unless you have a dedicated hauler.
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