Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fair enough.

Solution to your alleged 'harassment':

1. Don't mine AFK or alt-tabbed into Facebook
2. Stay aligned at all times
3. Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose
4. Don't fly ships made of paper and sticks; put a tank on it.
5. Join a PRC for protection
6. Hire mercs for protection
7. Realize that you make so much money that 10mil is a pittance. Suck up your pride and pay the money.
8. Don't 'smacktalk' or do other things to draw attention to yourself which leaves a nice trail of candy for people like this to have a reason to follow you around.
9. Set a trap for them and fight back

Thank you.

I also heard that they have a list of people to outright gank in the future. Like those who petition against them or come to the forums and complain about them. That once on the list they will wait until you get your first hulk or ORCA maybe a POS and then they will come after you, and wardec you and really destroy your ships an goods. Is that breaking the EULA?

or just take it in the butt, and make the killrights available to EVERYONE. and with hundreds of killrights on his crew they gonna be the oens getting hounded.

I have lost a ship to the New Order with no bumping or warning, other than the 8mil bounty they placed on me minutes before ganking me. I was even talking to a 'knight' at the time about the goals of the new order.

To everyone who says fight them with wardecs, combat ships or merc corps.

YOU CANNOT FIGHT A KAMIKAZE PILOT IN A NPC CORP

Your best case is to take one of them out and maybe prevent a gank, but you WILL lose your ship to CONCORD every time and they have lost nothing more than they planned on.

I would like to see CCP address the targeting of a specific group in game and if it constitutes harassment or not. Ice miners are targeted by he code for 'bot-aspirant' behavior when a mach with a tank fit still take ~40 mins to fill up on 2 button presses. I am not AFK, I am not on facebook or netflix, I am browsing the market, or playing with the PI interface.

For this I am deemed too much like a bot and killed for my efforts.

I agree that they have a very well thought out code, execute their plans very well and have found a way to stay within the EULA while at the same time going against the gain of every miner in high-sec.

If they could prove that they have REMOVED any bots, I would have some sympathy.

Interesting thread, I personally don't have a problem with the New Order, even if they do follow me from system to system or belt to belt. I don't see it as harassment or bullying.

Most people like eve because it is brutal. You could always pass your kill rights over to someone else and get revenge if you cant kill them yourself. If you are capable of getting revenge then why don't you follow your enemy from belt to belt, system to system and kill him or her. If you can't do it alone get some friends to join the wardec and take it to the next level.

I don't see their activities as being any more harsh or unfair than the things I experienced in my early days of venturing into low sec, getting followed from belt to belt when I was trying to rat and ultimately killed by my attacker. I was even locked down with web and scram in my pod and asked to pay a ransom to keep my clone intact and my implants from being destroyed.

I'm not an uber PVP hero or a battle hardened psycho, I do what most players do, I run missions, I rat, I trade on the markets, manufacture things and occasionally I indulge in mining to top up my mineral reserves so I can understand the annoyance of losing a mining barge to someone that want's to extort isk from you.

As for the New Order code, yes it favours them, but knowing the code does allow you some leverage over them, it's much like the pirate code in that respect, but it is better than dealing with the people who have no rules, so from that point of view I think entities like the New Order add to the overall richness of Eve and are an enhancement to our shared universe, just like Hulkageddon or Burn Jita, or more recently Burn Poinen.

Also I'm just thinking how much fun it would be if another group of criminals moved into 'their' space and did the same, would the two groups go to war with each other 'mafia' style. What would happen if you paid one and not the other, would you get protected by the one you paid?

Criminals can only operate where the law is weak. CCP deliberately ensures that the law is weak...

I just checked the EULA, blowing up miners who aren't paying attention or following the Code isn't harassment.

Hope this helps.