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Freighters, In General Vrs their cost, Vrs their ability to actually protect themselfs.

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xxVastorxx
Invisible Operations
Invisible.
#1 - 2013-02-05 11:21:13 UTC
As we all know by now we see Freighters and jump freighters in Highsec,lowsec,nullsec,Wh space always getting blasted to nothing,

the idea behind, moveing a whole world and then some is a cool idea, But what about cost vrs security ??

T1 Freighter hull 1.5 bill. *before mineral prices went thro roof 800 mill.
JF about 6.5 bill ish and up, havent checked their prices recently but seen them in that area.

Freighters juicy targets for suicide gankers, Same with JF, in the odd situations.

Push them off a gate with mach's *offgrid* then kill it.

So why no mid,or low slots CCP adding them would bring much less problems for the players that complain about looseing them.
Your still going to prolly loose it if suicide ganked, but why not make it harder for the person trying to gank it ?

I myself havent lost a Freighter or a JF, So not sure what it feels like.

So Question is will CCP help the Freighter,Jump Freighter's out by allowing them Low Slots, Mid slots.
In most movies you see freighters can even use defensive systems *guns,drones,tank etc,

It would look alot cooler if you seen killmails where a bunch of pilots tried suicide ganking a freighter but instead got owned by it. That would be better then kiling a Drake with a badger II. :D

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#2 - 2013-02-05 11:25:06 UTC


What you pay in a freighter is his massive cargo space not his ability to self defense or kill people.

If you want to give guns and tank to freighters then I want a freighter-sized cargo on my hurricane.



Giddeon Finnk
Distant Arcadia
#3 - 2013-02-05 11:25:14 UTC
Not sure about giving the freighter actual slots; but i would like to see a ship hangar so i can move my rigged / fitted / assembled ships around in my freighter.
Renzo Ruderi
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-02-05 11:25:53 UTC
Just a note, "Vrs" used several times in the title made my face hurt. Why not just use "vs" or "versus" like the rest of everyone, ever?
xxVastorxx
Invisible Operations
Invisible.
#5 - 2013-02-05 11:29:53 UTC
Renzo Ruderi wrote:
Just a note, "Vrs" used several times in the title made my face hurt. Why not just use "vs" or "versus" like the rest of everyone, ever?


Why ask why, others do what they do. when they clearly want to do it another way, just to make you ask why this why that ?
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2013-02-05 11:30:24 UTC
Posting in a not so stealthy "Nerf Suicide Ganking" thread.

You realize you contradicted yourself when you said to give them slots to make suicide ganking difficult, and then said that it wouldn't actually prevent people from suicide ganking? So...your point is then to what?

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#7 - 2013-02-05 11:33:06 UTC
You would be so much safer in your freigther if it had guns..Roll

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg

xxVastorxx
Invisible Operations
Invisible.
#8 - 2013-02-05 11:35:50 UTC
luZk wrote:
You would be so much safer in your freigther if it had guns..Roll


Well you guys couldnt kill my mains deadpsace legion with 8 ships in jita when i gave you the chance to. So pretty sure a frieighter with guns, would be harder for ya.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#9 - 2013-02-05 11:37:34 UTC
Oh look an NPC corp character complaining about PVP again.
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-05 11:42:04 UTC
xxVastorxx wrote:
luZk wrote:
You would be so much safer in your freigther if it had guns..Roll


Well you guys couldnt kill my mains deadpsace legion with 8 ships in jita when i gave you the chance to. So pretty sure a frieighter with guns, would be harder for ya.


Want to try that without:

a) Being all tank and no damage
b) Slaveset
c) Legion booster

and most importantly:

d) Without immediately deaggressing and docking up.

In other words: Come back when you have grown a pair Big smile
Turelus
Utassi Security
#11 - 2013-02-05 11:42:39 UTC
Suicide ganking in general i way higher than it used to be but that's a part of EVE now.

Freighters are defenceless yes, but just because it fits 700k m3+ doesn't mean you need to lead all that space with items worth billions.
If you're using it to move valuable loot keep it down to 2mil or under, avoid common gank systems. If you need to move billions of ISK worth of stuff take the time to do more than one trip and save your freighter and ISK or use blockade runners for the small stuff.

My alt uses a Charon and the only time she has ever used the entire space was while moving stront and POS fuel from a friend, the total value was less than 500mil.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-02-05 11:43:37 UTC
You're paying those high amount of isk for the cargo capacity, not for anything else. Why do some people keep suggesting that more ship have to be able to do everything is beyond me.

You don't pay for a tank so it can have an AC or dvd player and leather seats do you? you pay for one for it's firepower, armor and regardless of the lack of 'comfort' when driving one, they're still ridiculously expensive.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-05 11:44:23 UTC
xxVastorxx wrote:

I myself havent lost a Freighter or a JF, So not sure what it feels like.


Also, I would like to question the validity of this statement. Why post about this if you lost nothing?
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#14 - 2013-02-05 11:44:52 UTC
xxVastorxx wrote:
luZk wrote:
You would be so much safer in your freigther if it had guns..Roll


Well you guys couldnt kill my mains deadpsace legion with 8 ships in jita when i gave you the chance to. So pretty sure a frieighter with guns, would be harder for ya.


By all means allow this man to deadspace fit his freighter please CPP. He convinced me it's the right thing to do.Pirate

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg

Whitehound
#15 - 2013-02-05 11:47:57 UTC
TL;DR: Freighters are fine. JFs could use some love.

You could not fight off a gank squad even if you had fit weapons onto it.

The eHP of freighters seems fine, because not only did freighters become more expensive, but all the ships including those used in ganks have and so nothing really has changed here.

The cost of Jump Freighters - or their eHP - might need to be looked at. JFs can move large distances in a single jump making it pretty save to move stuff with them, but not within high-sec. One could gank JF pilots simply to cause them a loss in which case the ratio of "cost of gank squad" versus "cost of JF" seems unnecessarily high in comparison to other ships.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#16 - 2013-02-05 11:48:30 UTC
Giddeon Finnk wrote:
Not sure about giving the freighter actual slots; but i would like to see a ship hangar so i can move my rigged / fitted / assembled ships around in my freighter.


Just give the ships to an alt then set up a courier contract with your main to move them. The only thing to watch out for is what's in the cargo hold of the ships (can only be ammo and charges from memory).

Not had to do this for a while but I assume it still works
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#17 - 2013-02-05 11:53:32 UTC
Instead catering to stupid, as many people ask CCP, like yourself.

Why not grow a brain?

Move 10bil worth of crap for corp for "X" reason. Bring 6 Basi's, 6 BB, and scout.

Oh look, you can jam out the gankers within 2secs instead of the 8secs it takes Concord.

Nope, too complicated...

CCP, can we has fix for stupid?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-02-05 12:05:15 UTC
xxVastorxx wrote:
As we all know by now we see Freighters and jump freighters in Highsec,lowsec,nullsec,Wh space always getting blasted to nothing,

the idea behind, moveing a whole world and then some is a cool idea, But what about cost vrs security ??

T1 Freighter hull 1.5 bill. *before mineral prices went thro roof 800 mill.
JF about 6.5 bill ish and up, havent checked their prices recently but seen them in that area.

Freighters juicy targets for suicide gankers, Same with JF, in the odd situations.

Push them off a gate with mach's *offgrid* then kill it.

So why no mid,or low slots CCP adding them would bring much less problems for the players that complain about looseing them.
Your still going to prolly loose it if suicide ganked, but why not make it harder for the person trying to gank it ?

I myself havent lost a Freighter or a JF, So not sure what it feels like.

So Question is will CCP help the Freighter,Jump Freighter's out by allowing them Low Slots, Mid slots.
In most movies you see freighters can even use defensive systems *guns,drones,tank etc,

It would look alot cooler if you seen killmails where a bunch of pilots tried suicide ganking a freighter but instead got owned by it. That would be better then kiling a Drake with a badger II. :D



If you're moving the whole world, you may want to get an escort for it, or stop complaining that people are taking out your unescorted pinata's.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#19 - 2013-02-05 12:12:26 UTC
Freight Club or wtf they are called, have excellent advice on how not to move your goods
Joneleth Rein
#20 - 2013-02-05 12:14:09 UTC
I'm gonna say that if you think a lot of freighters/jf are destroyed,you'r hanging around the wrong people. Move away, like nowz and park your freighters until you see what you are doing wrong.



Spider Pig! Spider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig.

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