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Why share all your profits with investors?

Use you profits to fund private operations, resulting in 100% profit for you. You can then avoid all the SCAM claims.

If you can make billions why would you need/want to give them away?

Well I'll more than likely invest in this endeavor. I've been content with the way you've ran your last bond, and I can see you being successful in this as well.

Although, I may be starting my own as I've been toying with the idea of going back into manufacturing. Keep me posted if you do decide to start this IPO.

Cheers,

-Razor

Unless you are planning to fully collateralize the IPO value. This is for all intents and purposes a scam.



No. For all anyone here knows your plan is to build trust with a bond, and then move into an IPO where you will bag the money.

Unless every single share is fully collateralize. Your credibility, legitimacy, value and trust is at 0

These are my comments :D

Exactly how much experience in Production do you have?

An IPO from someone who has been doing it for years, through different patches & changes etc. is perfectly plausable.

I have been contacted by Savtrader for an audit. He's been quite detailed in what he wants to do, but I had to decline (Iike I am doing with everyone else) due to me preparing for moving home overseas. I suggested to start an IPO discussion to see if it can be ironed out without excessive arguments. I may eventually (if asked) do a quick check just to see if he got the characters manufacturing skills and the BPOs but that's all I can do before wrapping up my netbook (which is the thingie where my auditing programs are located).

in his OP, he is using the IPO isk to actually buy the BPOs........

You make it sound like running a profitable manufacturing op is difficult. With a spreadsheet, a basic working knowledge of the game mechanics, and the tens of tools available within the community, it is rather straight forward.

However, that being said, it is a shame that he doesn't already have the BPOs in stock. Perhaps there is a way to provide a bit more security to this IPO. For instance, I know in the past that 3rd parties have offered to lock down BPOs. Perhaps if the 3rd party was given the ISK, had an alt in the CEO seat, bought the BPOs via contract and locked them down. Would this alleviate some fears of the prospective investor? The BPOs wouldn't cover the cost of the entire IPO, but it is at least something.

..Don't most production bonds/IPOs have a secure third party lock down the BPOs in the manufacturing corp and allow the investee to produce from them?

Saveritrader, would you be willing to go forward with this IPO utilizing this traditional fashion? Why/why not?

..Thanks Candy.

So Saveritrader, how do you like that idea? Instead of leveraging your profitable name garnered from the apparent success from your first bond, why not *gasp* start a bit smaller and procure the BPOs with own funds?

I'll do you a favor and lay the ground work for your IPO:

Allocate 5b of your own isk for this venture.
Purchase BPOs.
Take 1-2b and set up a POS.
Run your production lines profitably for at least two months.
Then come to MD and ask for funds, for a SECURED bond.

Saveritrader, are you willing to handle this venture via this method? Why/why not?

Something has gotten me thinking "ruh roh Rhaggy."

I want and looked over Saveritrader's thread where he successfully raised enough funds for his bond. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195432&find=unread

It looks like Claire was the first to bite, on the condition that Sav supplied his API. He said he did, Claire liked it, and promptly invested 2b.

shar'ra matcevsovski then asked for the API also, which Sav said he provided.

shar'ra matcevsovski did not post in the thread again.

At this point many other posters posted that they have sent Sav isk, but none asked for APIaccess. Assumably because of Claire's positive returns and her overall happiness with how the bond was going. I would say that because of this, and Clair's amount of fame as a regular MD poster, gave other MD lurkers confidence in the bond.

And now rabbit hole

On 2013.2.2 at 16:01 I sent Sav a mail via evegate stating my interest in investing 1b, on the condition that I receive access to the APIs.

On 2013.2.3 at 00:14 Sav informed me that he did not "have room for it right now" but he had plans for expanding in the upcoming week.

Sav accepted what looks like another 1b via his bond thread on 2013.2.2 at 13:15. He did state to Erialor, who sent 500m, that his portion of the invested isk would run for an additional week.

On 2013.2.4 at 01:03 poster Kazuma Gaterau posted that he had sent Sav 100m. At the time of this writing Sav hasn't confirmed or denied that 100m investment.

Summery:
Itlooks like Claire is the only "investor" to have been granted access to the API.
My request for API with intentions to invest was denied.
On the same day that my money was turned down, Sav gladly accepted isk from posters who did not request API.
Claire Coffee, the only poster who appears to have the API, which I'm assuming is just a ruse, is Sav's #1 cheerleader in this thread.

I will not be investing with Saveritrader.

All of this post is pure speculation. If I am wrong, I apologie to Sav and to Claire. At any rate, this wild paranoia exercises my ability to keep my isk in my wallet.

..Keen eye Hagen! I would have thought Clarie (not Candy) would have charged more of a primum the 17b/2. Her rep, with the right proposal, could have netted her much more then 8.5b.