Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Every base that I've set up in a PvP environment (Null, Low, RvB-High), in short order ends up with a shed load of slightly damaged T2 and Faction laser crystals that I've looted from various wreaks. The problem is that once damaged they cannot be repackaged and thus cannot be stacked. Eventually my inventory window starts complaining that it has too many stacks.

I try to donate them to my corp only to find a similar huge surplus of them in the Charges hanger. Usually I buy a container, lable it Crystals and dump them in there.

I can't sell them on the market without packaging them. Contracts isn't suitable for selling small quantities of damaged crystals and nobody would buy a huge quantity of them at a decent price. Ultimately the only solution is to reprocess them, but the mineral return against their Isk value is abysmal, many simply hold on to them in the hope that one day they will be used.

While all this is an irritation to the player, I'm sure there must be performance issues too when opening an inventory window.

I appreciate why they can't be repaired. But how about making it possible to stack them and discard the damage by destroying one or more crystals in the stack.

Example 1: 10 crystals each with 2% damage, you stack them to get 9 undamaged crystals

Example 2: 10 crystals each with 51% damage, you stack them to get 4 undamaged crystals

Example 3: 10 crystals, 3 with 35% damage, 4 with 48% damage, 3 undamaged, you stack them to get 7 undamaged crystals.

I know it isn't a great answer from a role play perspective. But I think it is something that needs to be done just for general performance and simplicity. If anyone has a better solution, please post.

Please try to comprehend the problem before posting. You can reprocess them already, but like all T2 and Faction items the amount of minerals recovered is trivial compared to the value of the item. This is working as intended. Reducing the return when damaged is just going to make the problem worse. The problem is that unlike other T2 and Faction items, there is no practical route to market for damaged crystals and they are too valuable to (effectively) throw away. Thus they are just horded for the day they might be useful.

I am talking about T2 and Faction crystals, you need to understand the relevance of that fact and the exploits that surround the manufacturing of these items.

I'll try to explain - A T1 Multifrequency S crystal is worth around 4K Isk and reprocesses into minerals worth a similar amount. An Imperial Navy Multifrequency S crystal sells for around 400K Isk, but it shares the same mass as the T1 crystal. It CANNOT reprocess into minerals worth around 400K Isk even if undamaged. It has to reprocess into a similar quantity of minerals as the T1 item, otherwise the null sec overloads would exploit the system to move huge quantities of minerals back and forth to high sec using covop frigates rather than jump freighters.

Thus - IT IS NOT ECONOMICAL (And shouldn't be) TO REPROCESS T2/FACTION. Whether crystal or another item.

Please stop posting solutions that ignore that fact.

Ooh! Was he?

My apologies if so.

Excellent, then could I ask you to 'like' the OP please.

Yes, I'm quite happy with that, that isn't the 'issue' I'm complaining about. The 'problem' is the unwieldly inventory once you have collected a load of them, to the extreme that the game errors with inventory full messages. Coupled with the inability to put a serviceable, valuable item on the market.

Since when can you combine 2 x 0.5 carat diamonds to get a 1 carat diamond. Why not just make them a 'repairable' item??

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Since when can you combine 2 x 0.5 carat diamonds to get a 1 carat diamond. Why not just make them a 'repairable' item??[/quote]

Since when the planets in a system stays at the same spot for years upon years, since when the space ships floats on the vacum as if its water, Since when solid space crafts clamp to each other (station undocks)... Plss
Leave RL mentality in RL. This is eve ... has its own physics
Back to the topic;
The idea about combining damaged crystals to a new undamaged one is very reasonable.
I hope CCP implants this feature soon.

Damaged crystals are pain on the ass. Just allow us to repair crystals like turrets would be fine, or op's idea is very good as well.

Let's see, there are 8 types of T1 Crystal and 3 sizes, 24 in total. 5 Factions - Sansha, Blood, Imperial Navy, True Sansha and Dark Blood, each of 24. There are 4 types of T2 Crystal and 3 sizes, 12 in total. So potentially we have 24 + (24 x 5) + 12 = 156 different stacks of crystals, before we even get to the 'issue' of damaged items.

Would a player that flies laser boats, choose to stock all 156? Probably not, but eventually he could loot them, why would he throw them away or reprocess if he uses them? The same player then picks up (all slightly damaged) 5 Sansha Multifreq S and 3 Scorch S. Of course he is going to keep them for the next ship he fits up. Then he picks up (all slightly damaged) 4 Imperial Navy Standard L, 6 Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M, 7 True Sansha Multifreq M, 4 Dark Blood Ultraviolet L, 3 Conflag M, 6 Scorch L, 3 Imperial Navy Gamma S, 4 Sansha X-Ray L... ERROR TOO MANY STACKS.

... and you think it unreasonable for him to save them for his own use? The stack limit is in the area of 800 stacks. In my brief example, he has collected 45 damaged stacks, more than 5% of the stacks available and he hasn't even got a single complete set for a Coercer or Abaddon, ships that he flies regularly.


That's like saying nobody would buy a second hand car. I would gladly buy slightly damaged crystals - at a discount, if the logistics of the operation was manageable - and it needs to be for both the buyer and seller.


Um? You sound mad bro? But you don't seem to have thought through what you are arguing against - you have just agreed with me. Yes! Unmanageable, hence the simplified solution I have posted. Please +1 the OP if you agree.


Contracts are unworkable for crystals. Say I have 5 slightly damaged Imperial Navy Multifreq S available to sell and I put them in a contract. The Slicer pilot is going to buy them right? No, he only wants 2. The Coercer pilot? No, he needs 8. The Punisher pilot? No he needs 3. I'd have to list each crystal in a separate contract. A few sales might be made this way, but for most, it is just too much of a faff. I have already guaged how well that works, look for yourself how many contracts are available for used crystals - discounting multibuy contracts that contain complete fitted ships.


Easier? Yes and absolutely moronic at the same time. Who in their right mind is going to reprocess a 1% damaged Dark Blood crystal worth millions into minerals worth a couple of thousand? Especially when you fly laser boats and only need another two to make a set that you want to fit to a particular boat.

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