EVE General Discussion

someone said it already and i can repeat: this is the best EVE Online video i have seen for 2 years.

Good content (caravan of miners undocking to go to work), good music (something makes good mud). No stupid techno/electro/rap/etc music or "color" language in local chat/on sound track.

Good work. I'm looking forward to see something new from you

Gzzzzz, I need to join your corp or something!

Anyway, great video. EVE the way it should be! Massive solar invasion to belts and other.

So to understand. You got 5 PCs running about 25 paid EVE Online accounts each and skill trained high enough to get them to undock with these barges. If so I am totally impressed.

Cleaning up that ice belt should go fast but how do you tell them to stop mining when your cargo is full. 100 clicks should take quite a while to do?

Great job on that work, video and organisation.

It would be that scene from Star Trek all over again.

If too many people try to "pay to win", the PLEX price drops too low and it becomes less attractive, causing people to grind in game for their ISK. It's a nice and self regulating system that is governed only by what players are willing to tolerate.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop paying your PLEX each month if you want to see the "p2w crowd" getting less value for their money, and perhaps being dissuaded from such activities.

Personly I think CCP should put a max on the number of characters you should be allowed to multibox, course this is just insane.
I have no problem with OP doing it, as he is just one man, but think of all the others that is doing it too. Maybe not with 100 characters but you only need 100 OPs with 50 characters and you will have an impact on ice prizes.

Also I don't think OP should have posted this in the forum.
Think what will happen when chribba finds out he is not the king of mining anymore. I feel a "rage quit" comming up.

Great videos. looked awesome.

Why would I quit? Ice isn't for me

And slowly driving people away from the game.

No, ice does not stay the same price.

It has dropped considerably in price since the Exhumer and Barge "buffs."

You can view a price history on any market to see that I am correct.

That The Wis has been doing this since before the buffs does not change the fact that he is a major contributor to the devaluation of ice products as a whole.

In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts.

Thanks for your reply.

You seem to imply the Goon interdiction was good for business. Good on you.

That prices went up during that event should be an indicator to you that what I'm saying is absolutely true.

By creating a glut of ice supplies, The Wis hands out pay cuts to everybody who mines alongside him.

Only by limiting the intake of supply can CCP truly "buff mining" as a profession. The exhumer and barge buffs didn't accomplish that. What they did accomplish is making it easier for The Wis and miners aspiring to be just like him to devalue ice mining as an entire profession.

By the way, what were the prices of those ice products before the barge and exhumer buffs?

OK I want you to analyze what you wrote here. It may look fine at first glance, but you've commited a pretty grave logical fallacy.

You said that even though prices fell rapidly we are now capable of mining significantly larger piles. That's fine.

But you're stating this is true in spite of the drop in prices, not directly resulting in the drop in prices.

There is literally no way this can be true. Nobody got a pay raise. The job of mining ice may have gotten easier, barges and exhumers may (mostly) mine at a faster pace today than they did last year. But the supply glut that was created by reducing both the temporal barrier to acquisition and the manageability barrier to acquisition of ice products most assuredly is devaluing the profession of ice mining as a whole.

In October of 2012 blue ice sold for around 323k. In February of 2013 it is selling for about 149k, with evidence of a gradual and continuing downward trend. Unless you're claiming you can mine more than twice as muck ice per account, you are dead wrong about the barge and exhumer "buffs" being a "buff" to the ice mining profession. Clearly the value of typical ice products has been reduced by more than a factor of two.

With this in mind, I fail to see how playstyles such as The Wis' should be acceptable gameplay. That's because a solid case can be made for his behavior having a negative impact on people who haven't even started playing Eve yet.

That's a kind of griefing that's insidious precisely because it appears so innocent and innocuous.

Edit: Source: http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16264#history