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Warping is warped.
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Spurty
#21 - 2013-02-03 16:10:24 UTC
because of LORE (not law).

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Insenia Rascope
DKY Pharmaceuticals
#22 - 2013-02-03 16:23:27 UTC
http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

As far as I understand this theory, you create a bubble around your ship which contains local 'normal-spacetime'. You can displace this entire bubble towards another point in our three-dimensional space.

So, you don't travel through anything, you transport local space through higher dimensions towards your destination
Kathern Aurilen
#23 - 2013-02-03 16:30:05 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Neo looks around the room, and sees he is the only adult there. Most of the children's heads are shaved. Some are playing, others meditating, or practising their gift. Neo watches in amazement, as a little girl levitates wooden alphabet blocks. He turns around, and sees a skinny bald boy sitting on the floor, holding a spoon, which sways and twists as he bends it with

his mind. Neo crosses over to him, and sits in front of him, interested. The boy looks at Neo as he picks up a spoon and tries to imitate the boy's actions. Despite his best efforts, Neo cannot make it bend.

Spoon Boy : Do not try and bend the spoon...that's impossible. _Instead_

only try to realize the truth...

Neo : What truth?

Spoon Boy : There is no spoon.

Neo : There is no spoon?

Spoon Boy : Then you will see, it is not the _spoon_ that bends, it is

only yourself.

Neo gets the spoon and looks at it. This time he is able to bend it with his mind. It bends, curls round, and bends again. He is fascinated.
So true on a literal sense...

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Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#24 - 2013-02-03 16:30:25 UTC
Wait.. We warp through bodies?
stoicfaux
#25 - 2013-02-03 16:37:26 UTC
Nathaniel Schereau wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp.

This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea.

OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light.



Please correct me if im wrong, but I thought photons had no mass. (?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons

You are correct. And this is why I'm not a physicist in RL.

OTOH, being able to observe visible light while in warp implies some level of interactivity with normal space. OTOH^2 when warping through a planet with a molten core, we should see a lot of light, so maybe the warp tunnel going opaque when traveling through planets is a defensive measure? (i.e. the warp bubble blocks everything when traveling through massive objects.)

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#26 - 2013-02-03 16:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
This thread is so full with people's terrible interpretations of physics that it makes me want to throw books at them.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#27 - 2013-02-03 17:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Arduemont wrote:
This thread is so full with people's terrible interpretations of physics that it makes me want to throw books at them.


If you wish to throw the works of Graham Greene or John Steinbeck at me, please do not hesitate to do so.

I am just over here in this direction, not in a warp bubble, or travelling at anything like the speed of light, so it should be easy; and not break, or need to invent any laws of physics.

Thank you in advance.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#28 - 2013-02-03 17:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I would rather throw rather the works of Heisenberg at you, and then shout "Where is that book?" whilst it is at it's maximum velocity.

Debating the physics inside of a computer game is daft at the best of times. Here's a more interesting question for you, but first some background for those of you who are not as big a geek as I am..

Time runs slower in instances of lower gravity, relative to other instances of space time. So, Astronauts who go to the moon etc are actually living in an instance where time is running slower than it was running down on earth. When Astronauts come back from space they have experiences less time than we have on earth. So if two theoretical twins were born EXACTLY at the same time, one could go into space and come back younger than their sibling. Now, in a warp bubble, you have separated yourself into your own instance of space time, separate from normal space time and therefore unaffected by the gravity of anything in normal space time. This would mean that you are in an instance of space time with almost infinitely less gravity. So, if you spend 2 seconds in warp that could work out as millions of years for those outside of your isolated space time "bubble". Space time.

Why isn't that in the game, eh?

(There is a theory that would negate the above about time in warp bubbles etc, but I can't be bothered to go into it.)

Hell, you would see game changing portions of this phenomenon just by warping to the outer reaches of a solar system. So, let's say your in a safe spot waiting to warp in to help a friend. You are off grid 14 AU from anything. Now, even though you would receive their call for you to warp in simultaneously with quantum computing it could be hours before you arrived there for him, even though the journey would only take seconds for you.

You see now why talking about physics in relation to a computer game is pointless?

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#29 - 2013-02-03 20:20:48 UTC
Anell wrote:

Also there is a wizard.


Or possibly a Technomage.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2013-02-03 20:45:57 UTC
During warp you aren't actually moving, the universe is moving around you. There's a joke in there somewhere about changing a lightbulb and politcians.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-02-03 21:05:02 UTC
Why not? Works fine. Pirate

No
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Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-02-03 21:12:08 UTC
You actually do hit the planet, or at least its mass shadow.
Basically the warp bubble results in you being subatomic to the rest of the universe so actually hitting something is hard.
But you are bigger than photons as that is why smartbombs kill you while you are in warp.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-02-03 22:44:20 UTC
Basically warp bubble separates your ship from normal space, it then warps sapce so that it can cover ground at a faster rate. the reason it can go THROUGH solid matter is becuause the bubble warps space AROUND the ship, like putting a needle through bubbles, if its properly "lubricated" it will go right through without harming the bubble.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#34 - 2013-02-04 01:02:09 UTC
Nathaniel Schereau wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp.

This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea.

OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light.



Please correct me if im wrong, but I thought photons had no mass. (?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons


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Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-02-04 01:06:57 UTC
Actually, there is an arcticle on FTL travel that is cnsidered EVE canon. Section 5 describes what we know as "warp drive", although it uses the name of "jump drive" instead. It also discusses all other means of FTL travel that can be found around EVE universe.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#36 - 2013-02-04 02:36:24 UTC
Because its a game.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#37 - 2013-02-04 03:34:32 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Because CCP doesn't want us imitating meteor strikes in order to kill the dust bunnies

Not to mention what it'd do to people's PI installations...

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#38 - 2013-02-04 03:37:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp.

This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea.

OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light.


Or maybe your neocom is projecting simulated visuals, so you don't go comepletely bat-sh1te insane from trying to wrap you brain around the signals you would be receiving if you attempted to view the warp tunnel with your bare eyes...

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#39 - 2013-02-04 03:41:20 UTC
What you perceive as a planet is mostly empty space on an atomic level. If you are harmonically dissonant to the native frequency of of that lump of perceived solid, you will pass through it as though it wasn't there.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, OP.

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ChaseX
The Executives
#40 - 2013-02-04 11:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ChaseX
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp.


Non-sense. The current real world thinking model about a warp drive is that you use a force in fron of the craft that contracts space and a force behind it that extracts space again. So you travel at maybe 50% the speed of light but still cover a distance that is way more you could have traveled without the contraction / extraction. So if you do a simple v = distance / time it looks like you were going faster than light.

In fact, this is not even remotely possible because, even if you could create the contract / extract bubble, in the process fo warping there would be molekules / matter trapped inside the bubble which is released upon the landing (collapse of the warp bubble) and would annihilate everything (explosive release of all the matter (energy)) in a defined radius. The radius grows the longer you stay in warp.

Back to topic: No you can't warp through orbital bodys cause you do not enter any magical field that makes you invulnerable it is "just" contraction / extraction of space-time.
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