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Belt Regen To Small Rocks?
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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-04 00:05:15 UTC
I mine a lot, and watch what I am doing.

It appears to me that, if I completely clear a belt, the next day it regens with all small rocks. 2 days later the rocks are back at full size.

Has anyone else seen this happen?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2013-02-04 01:52:35 UTC
That's how it's always worked.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#3 - 2013-02-04 06:36:19 UTC
Ore is regenerated at a certain rate each day. If the rocks have disappeared, they will be respawned. If the rocks are already there, their contents are altered.

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Musashi Date
#4 - 2013-02-04 07:16:16 UTC
Similar thread link below, enjoy.

Is it possible, to "breed" heavier asteroids over a series of downtimes in high sec?: Disc
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=193162&find=unread
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-04 16:24:17 UTC
Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.

It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.

For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)

Does that seem reasonable?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-02-04 16:30:30 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.

It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.

For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)

Does that seem reasonable?


Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt.

Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-02-04 16:41:56 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.

It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.

For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)

Does that seem reasonable?


Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt.

Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them).


Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.

For instance, I tried 10 different betls and counted every rock in those belts by type and by concentrate level. After the DT respawn, I counted them again. Exact same of number of rocks of each type and concentrate level in the belt. FWIW, they were actually all in the exact same places too. Bookmarks from the day before would take me right to certain rocks that were easily identifiable to me.

So I had a friendly mining corp come in and wipe out a few of them, then counted again after respawn. Same as above. The numbers were exactly the same, only the sizes were different.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-02-04 22:49:44 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.

It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.

For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)

Does that seem reasonable?


Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt.

Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them).


Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.

For instance, I tried 10 different betls and counted every rock in those belts by type and by concentrate level. After the DT respawn, I counted them again. Exact same of number of rocks of each type and concentrate level in the belt. FWIW, they were actually all in the exact same places too. Bookmarks from the day before would take me right to certain rocks that were easily identifiable to me.

So I had a friendly mining corp come in and wipe out a few of them, then counted again after respawn. Same as above. The numbers were exactly the same, only the sizes were different.


It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).

Test it on SISI.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2013-02-04 23:45:51 UTC
The rocks you pop will come back the next respawn.

If you bookmark all the dense veldspar in a belt and mine it all out, you will get dense veldspar at those locations tomorrow.

If you pop every rock in the belt, the exact same ore will respawn in that location next time.

Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.

Or you run L1 missions to farm up asteroid-rich missions, and enjoy the pleasure of Scordite rocks containing 60-80k units of ore.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-04 23:55:51 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).

Test it on SISI.


It seems to me that a lot of knowledge fron the 'old days' is still circulating.

No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-05 00:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Mara Rinn wrote:

Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.


I have my belts bookmarked, but my Orca gives a 48 km wingspan. There are few occasions when I have to move in-belt. If that happens, the Orca is slaved to the primary miner. It actually seems to be faster than warping out, then in again. I realize that all miners don't have the advantages I do, but my real questions is about re-spawning.

There are a lot of variables in mining. I'm really having a lot of trouble controlling the ones that impact on the re-spawn of a particular type of ore in a particular belt.

I started another experiment today where I mined all of the Kernite out of one of my favorite belts.

When I got there it had 17 Firey Kernite, 2 Luminous Kernite and 1 Plain Kernite, but there was another miner there because I got up late. I'll mine it out again tomorrow. The number of units won't tell me much, but better than nothing.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2013-02-05 00:28:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Some belts are more than 50km diameter. I do the same as you for the smaller belts, though I try to get out of small blaster range of the belt warp in :)

I would suggest you lock up the asteroids and screen shot with the survey scanner results open. Then you can compare results from day to day by blinking between photos. You need to control for camera position and angle, and maybe post process to do fine adjustment. Have the camera zoomed out far to minimise the fish eye lens distortion of the scene (pincushion?).

Edit: 17 fiery kernite rocks in one belt?

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-05 00:59:31 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Some belts are more than 50km diameter. I do the same as you for the smaller belts, though I try to get out of small blaster range of the belt warp in :)

I would suggest you lock up the asteroids and screen shot with the survey scanner results open. Then you can compare results from day to day by blinking between photos. You need to control for camera position and angle, and maybe post process to do fine adjustment. Have the camera zoomed out far to minimise the fish eye lens distortion of the scene (pincushion?).

Edit: 17 fiery kernite rocks in one belt?


Several belts here have more, You just have to look for them.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2013-02-05 01:16:46 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).

Test it on SISI.


It seems to me that a lot of knowledge fron the 'old days' is still circulating.

No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.


And how does my suggestion not get you that data?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2013-02-05 01:19:51 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.


And how does my suggestion not get you that data?


It will get him the data, but NPC appears to be hoping that someone already has this data, collected since Retribution was released.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-05 01:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Mara Rinn wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.


And how does my suggestion not get you that data?


It will get him the data, but NPC appears to be hoping that someone already has this data, collected since Retribution was released.


I've never see any of this data, and I was around before Incarna.

A link, maybe?

EDIT: I'm not sure I trust other player's data any more. I really prefer to check it out myself. The data I come up with may be questionable, but at least I will have done the work. Research and data analysis are big parts of the game for me.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#17 - 2013-02-05 01:51:39 UTC
No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)

If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-05 02:10:41 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)

If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.


Sorry. It wouldn't mean anything to me. I don't use rock scanners.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-05 04:29:03 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)

If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.


I'm sorry. I missed your point.

My next question was going to be, "Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2013-02-05 04:32:38 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.




Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED.

Sheesh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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