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Possible Winter 2011 changes (Exact stats)

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#61 - 2011-10-25 17:06:25 UTC
Ardamalis wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
This thread reminds me of the fake patch notes leak for Tyrannis


If it is a fake, then someone sure has a lot of time on their hands....

But if this is for real. CCP has delivered.

EDIT: (still reading through) Gallente pilots are gonna be happy!


As somebody else mentioned above, you would think that somebody faking this wouldn't have wasted their time to come up with some of the more benign changes. The Rook is a prime example.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#62 - 2011-10-25 17:06:28 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
This thread reminds me of the fake patch notes leak for Tyrannis


yeah, not to burst everyone's bubble here, but random crap in pastebin does not a devblog make

sure, it would be great, however have you ever seen CCP change this much at once?
are you sure you want to see CCP change this much at once?

While I hope for the best and try and have an open mind, I also try and avoid having my mind so open that my brain falls out
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#63 - 2011-10-25 17:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Morganta wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
This thread reminds me of the fake patch notes leak for Tyrannis


yeah, not to burst everyone's bubble here, but random crap in pastebin does not a devblog make

sure, it would be great, however have you ever seen CCP change this much at once?
are you sure you want to see CCP change this much at once?

While I hope for the best and try and have an open mind, I also try and avoid having my mind so open that my brain falls out


No, havent seen them change this much at once.

But on that note I also have been astonished with the number of changes that they have announced within the last couple of weeks!

Especially all of the ones that for years we have been asking for.
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#64 - 2011-10-25 17:09:41 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Novantco wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Looks like the penalties for the tech II missiles is going away if I'm reading that right. Drakes just got... smaller.



Yep that does seem to be the case for tech 2 missiles.


Except that a lot of things got faster, which is a missile damage nerf.

Plus the new BCs have sigs of 180-190m versus 240-285 of current BCs. I guess that Fighters are going to have a bit more trouble hitting the new BC sub-caps.



I see them as potential anti-cap ships. But, I'm not much of a fleet guy so I'm probably wrong.

But, a lot of people were asking for larger stealth bombers to take out the super caps. Just put a covert cloak on a T2 version of these bad boys, fit with citadel torps and go to town.

_ _
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#65 - 2011-10-25 17:09:53 UTC
confirming that the new bc (particularly the caldari.. that's hard for a gallente pilot to admit) are cap killers.

watch out Nyx pilots, i've got a battlecruiser to ruin your day!

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#66 - 2011-10-25 17:11:07 UTC
yum T2 mining foreman links
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#67 - 2011-10-25 17:11:33 UTC
10% damage buff on railguns, and the removal of malus on their T2 ammo, that I like Big smile
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-10-25 17:12:22 UTC
Looking through the info...

BCs:
All of the new BCs are designed for one thing, and one thing only : Turning other ships into salvage in PvP. Nothing else. Very little tank (I didn't see any of them with over 6 mid slots, and generally 4-5 low slots), and absolutely no defensive bonuses.

Frigs:
Dram got beat down with the nerf bat
All other frigs got an agility and/or speed boost.
This just brings the Dram on par with everything else frig-sized.
But the Dram still has drones
There is no 4th Assault Ship bonus.

Supercap nerf :
As published earlier in the dev blog, no surprise.

Hybrid changes :
Rails got a dmg boost, cap use reduction, and fitting cost reduction.
Blasters got a tracking bonus.
Gallente pilots and Caldari rail-freaks need to clean their pants off now.

Destroyer changes :
No more ROF bonus. Need to kill a frig, bring a destroyer. (Destroyers might actually have a use in fleets now)

Ammo changes :
T2 ammo got some of its disadvantages (namely falloff/tracking) taken away.

New T2 mods :
Lots of new mods, too many to list here.

In Summary - Lots of nice changes, but its definitely not complete. Still missing some things like the 4th AF bonus, and I sense there are more ship-level changes to come.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#69 - 2011-10-25 17:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Zagam wrote:
Frigs:
Dram got beat down with the nerf bat


Not too surprised about the Dram.

CCP had already talked about some of the possible changes to the ship during one of the AT discussion panels.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2011-10-25 17:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
My megathron is about to become faster, more agile, have better traking on my blasters along with even more room to fit things in the spare high. OH GOD YES!

Twilight Sparkle (my mega) is going to LOVE this winterBig smile
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#71 - 2011-10-25 17:17:26 UTC
there is also the remote possibility that this is just a test of the bulk data loader and may or may not reflect actual values.

dev comment or a definite origin of the data would help.

dammit now I'm excited...
Tore Vest
#72 - 2011-10-25 17:18:11 UTC
Denidil wrote:
confirming that the new bc (particularly the caldari.. that's hard for a gallente pilot to admit) are cap killers.

watch out Nyx pilots, i've got a battlecruiser to ruin your day!


I dont think you will see any Nyx.... or super after the patch.
Maby a titan (bus) inside a pos shield Blink

No troll.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#73 - 2011-10-25 17:19:24 UTC
  • Nyx
  • armorHP: 1050000.0 => 840000.0
  • droneCapacity: 250000.0 => 150000.0
  • hp: 600000.0 => 480000.0
  • shieldCapacity: 540000.0 => 432000.0
  • shieldRechargeRate: 36000000.45 => 28800000.36
    • [+] allowedDroneGroup1: 549.0
    [+] allowedDroneGroup2: 1023.0
    [+] isCapitalSize: 1.0
    Jokerface666
    Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
    #74 - 2011-10-25 17:19:41 UTC
    is it april 1st??? please say no!
    De'Veldrin
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #75 - 2011-10-25 17:19:43 UTC
    Tippia wrote:
    Did I read that right? A rather significant revamp of the Diemost?

    Also, T2 ganglinks… \o/

    I do hope all of this is true… Big smile


    You and me both.

    T2 Triage and Siege Modules i saw buried in there.

    De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
    Karl Planck
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #76 - 2011-10-25 17:21:12 UTC
    Zagam wrote:
    Looking through the info...

    Frigs:
    Dram got beat down with the nerf bat
    All other frigs got an agility and/or speed boost.
    This just brings the Dram on par with everything else frig-sized.
    But the Dram still has drones
    There is no 4th Assault Ship bonus.
    ...

    Hybrid changes :
    Rails got a dmg boost, cap use reduction, and fitting cost reduction.
    Blasters got a tracking bonus.
    Gallente pilots and Caldari rail-freaks need to clean their pants off now.

    Destroyer changes :
    No more ROF bonus. Need to kill a frig, bring a destroyer. (Destroyers might actually have a use in fleets now)


    IF this is in fact true let me be reiterate again,

    YOU THOUGHT THE DRAM WAS BAD, WELCOME TO FRIG HELL WITH THE DD.

    Also, FW pilots can now start crying as Dessies will kill everything in minor plexes (yes even the corm)

    I has all the eve inactivity
    Doddy
    Excidium.
    #77 - 2011-10-25 17:21:58 UTC
    So, eafs?
    Ivan En'Vec
    Nevermore.
    #78 - 2011-10-25 17:26:13 UTC
    Hey guys, OP here. This is my take on the rumor mill: This list was circulating around a couple of private in-game channels, and was not created by me, nor do I know who pulled that info.

    Personally I believe it's real, but it's from "not for public consumption" test sever data. Generally fakes are made for one purpose - attention - and that's not my goal here or the person who pulled the data. I do not believe that this is a full list, and the things that are here will very likely be tweaked before the expansion. Read it for fun and ideas, but wait for CCP's official release before any whines. However - should something on this list strike you as unbalanced - comment on it and bring it to CCP's attention BEFORE it goes live, while there's still time for changes. I'm sure they are monitoring this thread. :)
    De'Veldrin
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #79 - 2011-10-25 17:28:58 UTC
    Rees Noturana wrote:
    stoicfaux wrote:
    Hrm, only the Talos has drones. So the new BCs aren't meant for mission running. Twisted



    I'd say those new BC have quick and brutal PvP written all over them. These are not the ships mission runners are looking for. I'm sure some will try but will end up salvaging their own wrecks.


    Based on the stats in the paste I have to agree and I couldn't be happier. I mostly fly BCs in PvP and I couldn't be happier about this.

    Face, meet Melt. Melt Face.

    Twisted

    De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
    Zagam
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #80 - 2011-10-25 17:29:28 UTC
    Karl Planck wrote:
    Zagam wrote:
    Looking through the info...

    Frigs:
    Dram got beat down with the nerf bat
    All other frigs got an agility and/or speed boost.
    This just brings the Dram on par with everything else frig-sized.
    But the Dram still has drones
    There is no 4th Assault Ship bonus.
    ...

    Hybrid changes :
    Rails got a dmg boost, cap use reduction, and fitting cost reduction.
    Blasters got a tracking bonus.
    Gallente pilots and Caldari rail-freaks need to clean their pants off now.

    Destroyer changes :
    No more ROF bonus. Need to kill a frig, bring a destroyer. (Destroyers might actually have a use in fleets now)


    IF this is in fact true let me be reiterate again,

    YOU THOUGHT THE DRAM WAS BAD, WELCOME TO FRIG HELL WITH THE DD.

    Also, FW pilots can now start crying as Dessies will kill everything in minor plexes (yes even the corm)



    The agility and speed buffs frigs are getting will help with the destroyer buffs. And everyone I've talked to (even Dramiel pilots) agree the Dramiel is *very* OP. It was begging for a nerf.