EVE General Discussion

Short version:
Why are bounties paid out on Concord Killmails?
I exploit the hell out of this by plinking my own gankships, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Shouldn't bounties get the same treatment as insurance, (ie, no payout) due to the 'godlike NPC' nature of Concord?

Technique:
A) Get bounties. Ganking, placing gank-alk into corp//alliance with a bounty escrow, etc.
B) Launch suicide attack as normal.
C) Use your scouting alt to 'attack' gank ship while it is locked down by Concord.
D) Collect bounty payout from the existing pool AND the loot. Use ISK to help buy more ganking gear.
E) Hope for more bounties, rinse repeat.

Here is where I am coming from:

I like bounties. My -10 suicide specialist tends to collect a lot of them. They are a pirate 'badge of honor'
A tangible record of how many people's day you ruined.

Now, I'm glad the new system has been 'fixed', are tied to losses - and bounties have a point. They certainly show up much more often now, as a result.

**Side note: The new 'bounty received' notifications are terrific. Their instantaneous nature make it quite easy to pinpoint which butthurt miner/hauler put the bounty on you - and allows the pirate to victimize them with locators for further gank attacks. After all, if they mad enough to put a bounty on you, it means your suicide attack hit home - and further ganks might push them right over the edge and cause them to beat their kids, or better yet, quit EVE.

But here is the current problem with bounty payouts:

People whoring onto Concord KM's drain bounties (and thus my bounty e-peen).

I've discovered that I can exploit this by simply 'Whoring' my own Concord KM with my own ganking spotter! (collecting my own bounty simply by locking and shooting the gankship once with an alt before it attacks, or while it is stricken by Concord. Miner bounties actually subsidize my ganking operations......)

But I drain my own bounties because ANY random bystander can collect bounty credit simply by plinking a GCC'd target. But I'd rather build up a nice fat sexy bounty - rather than simply watch it drained off in the normal course of doing business.

Aside from that: it just doesn't really make any sense in the context of the 'Godlike NPC' nature of Concord.
They are guaranteed to show up, completely disable your ship and drones, and blow up your ship in a robotic fashion. After recent Concord buffs....they even prevent you from warping to a Safe-Spot or ejecting from your ship prior to the explosion.

Simply put, other players played no meaningful part in your destruction, as evading Concord is considered an 'exploit'.

That said, perhaps bounties should be disabled for Concord Kills in the same way that insurance is disabled for Concord losses. Think it would repair a serious flaw in the new bounty system.

What happens when one (or+) members in said corporation/alliance have no bounty on him and get killed?

Sounds like the only problem that needs sorting out is to stop bounties being paid to alts. If your Corpies gank you for the iskies, htfu! If a hi sec miner gets a few isk for somehow getting a shot in, good on him. If the only way you can make cash is to shoot yourself first, that's pretty pathetic. You are effectively trying to remove bounty layout on hisec gankers, htfu.

First, there is no way to distinguish between an 'alt' and any other player.

Second, doesn't matter if its the ganker, the miner, OR a 3rd party whoring in on the Concord KM. None of them were REALLY responsible for the kill. You seem to be making a strange value judgement here - saying that its OK for the miner to benefit, simply because he's a miner - even if the mechanic makes no sense, and gankers are the actual beneficiary (or, in some cases - will be after reading this post)

Third, hardly pathetic. If you can score free Miner ISK by plinking your own 'doomed' gankship with a target painter or A/C before the attack, why not?

HTFU? That doesn't even make sense. Like I said, gankers are the beneficiary. Why, because - like a kamikaze: suicide gankers already know that they are going to lose their ship. Its expected. Result:

Placing a bounty on a suicide ganker is kind of like putting money directly into his wallet.

And I'm perfectly OK with that.
But I'd prefer to have a large bounty to stroke my E-peen, rather than subsidized ganking. A bounty that gets rewarded to the person who actually caused me to lose something I didn't plan on losing, rather than a system where bounties are simply 'idiot taxes' - on people who don't realize its a broken system. Kind of like what we had before.

Solstice +1

All I'm saying is if you want to gank in hi sec expect to lose your precious bounty, I have no soft spot for miners but if their hobgoblin gets a shot in deal with it rather than crying about how hard done by the ganking community is by the evil iron fist of the hisec care bear miners.

Gankers tears taste like honey sprinkled with powdered sugar...

Nice sub-literate trolling from the small time frigate-popper. Oh, sorry, I mean 'terrorist'. I forgot that you think you are special.

Actually, first time I noticed my bounty total go down, it WAS a miner with drones set to aggressive. I think they were Acolyte I's. Of course, once I figured out what happened - it was a simple to exploit the system and place the rest of the bounty directly into my own pocket.

Perhaps it should be called the "Miner's Suicide Ganker Appreciation Escrow"

Now, I'd prefer to have a large bounty - and a system that makes sense. And that would mean disabling bounty payouts for Concord kills.

Oh, and of course I use alts for ganking. Only an idiot would try to fly a freighter in highsec with the new KR system.

If anything, CCP's Crimewatch has pushed suicide ganking further into '-10 alt territory'.

A) Expanded killrights preclude flying freighters or other industrial ships on the same char, even with neutral Sec status.
B) increased Sec status penalties (kill rights/full penalty for failed attempts, not just 'kills'), makes sec status repair more difficult and time consuming.

CCP obviously wants more people to gank with -10's. I am happy to oblige them.

You get it.

Suicide gankers get a lot of bounties because ganking is one of the things that makes people mad.

Yet, I've just demonstrated how trivially easy it is for gankers to put that money directly into their own pocket.
And I encourage any suicide ganker (who is going to be losing ships anyway....) to do the same.

Still, I understand this isn't how the system is meant to work. And I DO like having a large bounty. (after all, it looks good and its not MY money...)

But if bounty payouts are awarded whenever a Concord KM is whored, it simply places me in a position where I simply have to whore my own KM to collect the bounty - and I have nothing to show off.

Removing payouts for Concord KMs would
A) prevent gankers from easily collecting their own bounties.
B) others from collecting bounties, despite Concord doing all the work.
C) Provide bounty rewards for people who actually earned it - killed something I didn't intend to lose first.
D) Allows gankers to maintain high bounty totals and making them targets.

Apologies for the intrusion, just editing the quote. -- ISD LackOfFaith

E) Encourage miners to place bounties more often when gankers cannot leech on their own bounties.

Simple fix the distribution of the bounty payout is based on the percentage damage you did.
0 damage 0 payout
Would also act as a lovely ISK sink as the money gets paid to Concord.
Also can we get the km linked when collection notifications are sent?
Would be very nice.

Sorry but you went criminal first.
Might I interest you in a kill right?