EVE General Discussion

just had a huge facebook convo on my wall with friends about buying apple.

I'm with you. I said macs are for girls and paying for one is irresponsible

the main point I made was now that Windows is more capable as an intermediary between hardware and software, and building a computer is nearly plug-and-play, paying for a complete system makes less sense.

ya know, assemble the pieces where they fit, be careful about clamping the CPU, then load the OS. even BIOSs have mouse support.

the problems from ten years ago, such as missing drivers and manually changing motherboard settings... are gone now. of all the complete-system manufacturers like gateway, HP/Compaq, Dell... Apple is the only one that has tied an OS to its hardware to keep itself fat.

maybe it's just that apple has realized a lot of people are trendy, have a bit of disposable income, and are not very computer literate.

my suggestion was, since a mac's value is in the image, get a mac pro tower and fill it with a custom computer. (I'm a genius)

Then create horrendous software to interface with it.

That was most certainly an 'Oh dear' moment.

http://www.teamviewer.com

there's no AFK like meta-AFK!

This man speaks truth.

Also analysts drooling over the growth rate of "casual gaming", decreeing the death of other forms. Ludicrous!

Wrong. You NEEDED a PC for work/school/etc. Mobile devices are turning this logic inside out.

My girlfriend works full time and attends school part time. Her sole computer is a Galaxy Note 2. She takes notes in class, reads and listens to music on the bus, and video calls her friends. At home she simply connects a Bluetooth keyboard, keypad, and mouse. With an HDMI adapter it becomes a full-sized PC for assignments, web browsing, Netflix, and nearly anything else.

In other words, my girlfriend's personal computer fits in her pocket, adapting and connecting as she moves through her day. I've used it, and it not only works, but works well. This is the vision being demonstrated by everything from the Motorola Atrix to Ubuntu for Android to Project Glass. Serious R&D is flowing into mobile tech at the moment. Countless breakthroughs in connectivity, capacity, and interface are rendering traditional PCs obsolete.

It's also a bit conceited to arbitrarily label one gamer "casual" and another "serious". I loathe FarmVille as much as anyone, but in the future we are all just gamers. Yes, EVE is more complex than Temple Run and Gem Miner, just as it's more complex than Minesweeper and Pinball. The mobile and open-source platforms of the future will handle all of them equally well.

Linux deserves full and immediate official client support, but I'm not currently advocating for a full-blown Android or iOS client. The hardware clearly isn't there - yet. But it's high time CCP demonstrated some vision for EVE in the mobile space with a client for skill changes, communication, fitting, and trade. The "kneeboard" concept mentioned by another poster on this thread also sounds brilliant.

So, let me get this straight: tablets are great because you can turn them into a PC.

Because that's exactly what you're admitting. To be productive with a tablet you have to remove the touchscreen interface and replace it with a mouse and keyboard, remove the tiny and awkwardly located screen and replace it with a full-size monitor, etc. You remove everything that defines a tablet/smartphone and turn it into a PC with low-end hardware specs. IOW, there will always be PCs in all the ways that matter (mouse/keyboard, decent hardware, etc) and your complaints about EVE becoming obsolete because it can't adapt to a touchscreen are nonsense.

Yes, there might be some technical details to change because the details of the CPU change (though let's not forget about the windows tablets/smartphones), but that's just the same old details software developers have always had to deal with. If CCP can port EVE to mac/linux platforms they can port EVE to the future iPC. But the game itself will remain exactly the same and adapt just fine.



You're missing the point entirely. Those labels are just for the sake of being able to talk about the two groups, they don't imply any kind of superiority/inferiority relationship. It's just a recognition of the simple fact that there are two aspects of the gaming market:

1) Casual gamers. People who play a few simple games as a way of killing time (facebook games on the bus, for example) and don't get very invested into gaming. It's the smartphone equivalent of the people who played solitaire on their work computer because it's 4:30 and they're tired of working.

2) Serious gamers. People who play complex games, invest lots of time and effort into them, define themselves as 'gamers', etc.

The article you quoted considered the sum of the two groups for purposes of defining how many people are "gamers" for the iWhatever market, but ONLY considered group #2 for purposes of defining the size of the PC market. It's absolutely insane (and dishonest) to consider Valve's subscriber base as representative of the PC numbers but then count everyone who ever downloaded a facebook game on the iWhatever. You either need to compare both groups for both platforms (and then the PC market gains a huge number of solitaire players), or only compare group #2 on each platform.

And of course it's even more dishonest to use the comparison to "prove" that PC gaming is moving to the iWhatever. The fact that people are playing facebook games on their iWhatever instead of solitaire on their PC doesn't have the slightest bit of impact on a game like EVE.

Building has been plug and play for almost a couple decades now. SCSI terminators IRQs upper memory blocks and such have been a thing of the past from the user's standpoint since 98se.

The only special thing about an Apple motherboard is the TPM chip they put on it for the OS to work. You can easily get around it though hence all the hackintosh stuff floating around.


So basically what you're saying is she bought all the expensive parts of the computer without having the actual processing power , storage capability, reliability, etc of a real computer. I hope she's backing her stuff up to a real computer somewhere because if she loses the phone or has an accident with it she's going to be boned.