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Din Chao
#41 - 2013-02-01 23:15:40 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Hey, let's all play whatever we want, the way we want,
because when we enjoy it we are doing it right,
no matter what.

OK!
*takes off pants*
Cool
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#42 - 2013-02-02 01:21:19 UTC
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:
with estimate of 300 to 500 mil daily. he has it down to a science that he knows which systems for the day have max yield and wipes at least a system clean daily


He has to make over 1.5 billion a day if he just wants to plex 100 accounts. 500 million a day is less than 30 accounts plexed.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-02-02 01:46:32 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Most people argue for their own little corner, and look to keep things the way they want it to be. This is doublely so for most nullsec and lowsec players. Its pretty rare for them to support suggestions that improve EvE as a whole.

All of my suggestions improve eve as a whole, your claim is flawed.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#44 - 2013-02-02 01:57:10 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Michael Nezerol wrote:
Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews).

The thing is, just this statement alone separates you from those you feel are being "disrespected" for the most part. I've never seen anyone pile on a player who takes their lumps in stride. I have, however, seen the mad dash for every tear available the minute the crying starts.

For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149212



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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-02-02 01:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aza Ebanu
Michael Nezerol wrote:
I've played plenty of MMOs. But IMHO, the relative disrespectfull attitude towards people who want to take it more 'casual' (relative speaking, since there's no true 'casual' in this game) is amazing and annoying and one of the worst examples that I've met to date.

Yes, I know that PvP is a major theme in this game. But it isn't the only theme. Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews). No harm done there.

And certainly in every game I've played so far major alliances have tried to push the dev to insert stuff favorable to especially them.
But the way long-term players (especially 0-sec players) treat 'casual' players is astonishing - and on about the same level as 'WoW-kiddies (as I like to call them), and that's saying something, and that's not positive.

Certainly, the game needs progress and new updates. But never ever before I've even seen that NOWHERE any long-time member speaks up and says 'Shouldn't we try to keep this game together?' Since of ALL suggestions by long-term players, NOWHERE I see something that not only will benefit both 0-sec, high-sec, 'hardcore' and 'casual' - and 99% of the cases it the suggestion benefits the 0-sec, 'hardcore' players, with the other 1% benefitting the high-sec, 'hardcore' players.
While you DO want new players into this game, or are you really that narrow-minded?

No CCP doesn't want new players in the game.

CCP noticed about 5 years ago that they had amassed all the people that were going to play their game. They then switched focus on player retention and organic growth (getting more money from subscribed players.) When WiS failed, they turned to plex and multiple accounts as their primary focus. Also they stopped new expansions and are focused on "fixing" what the majority of the existing players consider "broken"

They are taking brilliant steps from a business point of view.
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#46 - 2013-02-02 02:00:12 UTC
Michael Nezerol wrote:
I've played plenty of MMOs. But IMHO, the relative disrespectfull attitude towards people who want to take it more 'casual' (relative speaking, since there's no true 'casual' in this game) is amazing and annoying and one of the worst examples that I've met to date.

Yes, I know that PvP is a major theme in this game. But it isn't the only theme. Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews). No harm done there.

And certainly in every game I've played so far major alliances have tried to push the dev to insert stuff favorable to especially them.
But the way long-term players (especially 0-sec players) treat 'casual' players is astonishing - and on about the same level as 'WoW-kiddies (as I like to call them), and that's saying something, and that's not positive.

Certainly, the game needs progress and new updates. But never ever before I've even seen that NOWHERE any long-time member speaks up and says 'Shouldn't we try to keep this game together?' Since of ALL suggestions by long-term players, NOWHERE I see something that not only will benefit both 0-sec, high-sec, 'hardcore' and 'casual' - and 99% of the cases it the suggestion benefits the 0-sec, 'hardcore' players, with the other 1% benefitting the high-sec, 'hardcore' players.
While you DO want new players into this game, or are you really that narrow-minded?


I want targets in the game and if that happen to be new players, great. Does it mean have I have to be respectful? No.

You want my respect, earn it. Simple.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#47 - 2013-02-02 02:03:27 UTC
The "disrespect" goes for those who believe that 100% safety is needed, and that just because they are in High-Sec that they are a special flower and deserve complete safety. Those who are casual but still understand the concept of combat and risk in Eve shouldn't get much flak.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-02-02 02:18:01 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
Welcome to EVE, play the way I want you to or I'll harass and insult you until you do or get out.


Pretty much sums it up right there. Any further discussion is pointless. Just in case anyone is wondering why it took 10 years for this game to peak subs (and still under 500k), this is why.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-02 02:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
To all those who hate hi-sec and their easy way of life...

Why aren't you trying to use the current in game mechanics to encourage emergent gameplay instead of complaining on the forums.

Those miners in hi-sec couldn't mine if you ganked them every time they leave the dock for example.

Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.

If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

So do something about it rather than try to complain and whine in a vain attempt to get CCP to change something they will obviously never in their existance consider doing.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-02-02 02:59:37 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
To all those who hate hi-sec and their easy way of life...

Why aren't you trying to use the current in game mechanics to encourage emergent gameplay instead of complaining on the forums.

Those miners in hi-sec couldn't mine if you ganked them every time they leave the dock for example.

Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.

If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

So do something about it rather than try to complain and whine in a vain attempt to get CCP to change something they will obviously never in their existance consider doing.

Its so easy to do huh? Whats wrong with people nowadays?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-02-02 03:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.
Good point.
Hopefully James315 will be elected to the CSM and he can share his well established opinions on what he feels should be adjusted with highsec. Seems fairly likely he will. And he makes me look like a moderate.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-02-02 03:16:32 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.
Good point.
Hopefully James315 will be elected to the CSM and he can share his well established opinions on what he feels should be adjusted with highsec. Seems fairly likely he will. And he makes me look like a moderate.


Yeah I hope James gives the game the shot in the arm it really needs.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#53 - 2013-02-02 03:20:18 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I'm playing the game how I enjoy playing it, and therefore, am playing it correctly.

If you really believe that to be true, then there's really no help for you.

Hey, let's all play whatever we want, the way we want,
because when we enjoy it we are doing it right,
no matter what.


I think you're missing that people play games to have fun. CCP provides entertainment for people, and that's it.

Really. That's it.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#54 - 2013-02-02 05:59:26 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:
with estimate of 300 to 500 mil daily. he has it down to a science that he knows which systems for the day have max yield and wipes at least a system clean daily


He has to make over 1.5 billion a day if he just wants to plex 100 accounts. 500 million a day is less than 30 accounts plexed.

Where... did you get 100 accounts from? As ive said he has 4 mining accounts. He also has a combat account. so a total of 5 accounts. Say plex is 600mil (havent checked in a while) he can at max get all 5 accounts plexed in 6 days. my math is off but meh iirc he says he plexs 4 out of 5 i dont know. But in less than a week he plays for free and has the month for fun

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#55 - 2013-02-02 08:47:04 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.
If CCP felt Incarna was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

What CCP do or do not think is good for business has very little bearing on what is or is not good for the game.


@OP - Any changes made to benefit casuals will benefit core players tenfold. That's why their opinion is irrelevant - no matter how you change the game, casuals will always be casual compared to everyone else. Hence the name.

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Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#56 - 2013-02-02 11:17:30 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.
If CCP felt Incarna was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

What CCP do or do not think is good for business has very little bearing on what is or is not good for the game.


@OP - Any changes made to benefit casuals will benefit core players tenfold. That's why their opinion is irrelevant - no matter how you change the game, casuals will always be casual compared to everyone else. Hence the name.


incarna was a spin off of there production of World of Darkness.
Flag Bravo
#57 - 2013-02-02 12:43:12 UTC
A corp-mate once told me that there are those, that play eve only to wave their wangers, and have no interest in the games future ,unless it threatens to zip them up.
I believe there is some truth in this. Blink
Mag's
Azn Empire
#58 - 2013-02-02 13:07:22 UTC
PvP is not solely related or limited to combat and this is why Eve, is PvP centric.

Play the game however you want, it's not anyone's right to dictate that. Just understand that as a sandbox, others can do as they wish in game. Sometimes this messes with your goals and must be accepted.

Take what most say, with a pinch of salt.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-02-02 15:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Kalle Demos wrote:
This game isnt about PvP its about hand holding, smacktalking, docking games and botting


You missed "scamming".... shame on you. Blink

As to the sandbox issue some folks would say "Litter box" rather than "sand box", but that's just crazy talk. Pirate

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#60 - 2013-02-02 15:45:20 UTC
Michael Nezerol wrote:
I've played plenty of MMOs. But IMHO, the relative disrespectfull attitude towards people who want to take it more 'casual' (relative speaking, since there's no true 'casual' in this game) is amazing and annoying and one of the worst examples that I've met to date.

Yes, I know that PvP is a major theme in this game. But it isn't the only theme. Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews). No harm done there.

And certainly in every game I've played so far major alliances have tried to push the dev to insert stuff favorable to especially them.
But the way long-term players (especially 0-sec players) treat 'casual' players is astonishing - and on about the same level as 'WoW-kiddies (as I like to call them), and that's saying something, and that's not positive.

Certainly, the game needs progress and new updates. But never ever before I've even seen that NOWHERE any long-time member speaks up and says 'Shouldn't we try to keep this game together?' Since of ALL suggestions by long-term players, NOWHERE I see something that not only will benefit both 0-sec, high-sec, 'hardcore' and 'casual' - and 99% of the cases it the suggestion benefits the 0-sec, 'hardcore' players, with the other 1% benefitting the high-sec, 'hardcore' players.
While you DO want new players into this game, or are you really that narrow-minded?


Look harder.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016