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POCO with "Access Denied" tax rate
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Watson Crick
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1 - 2013-02-01 11:48:00 UTC
I am interested in doing PI on a Storm Planet but the POCO lists a tax rate of "Access Denied".

Other than grovelling to the owner, is our only option to destroy it?

Can I use the launchpad to bypass the POCO entirely? In this situation, do I pay the INTERBUS tax rate?

Thanks,
Watson Crick
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2 - 2013-02-01 11:49:52 UTC
One more thing. If we destroy the POCO is it automatically replaced by an INTERBUS POCO?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#3 - 2013-02-01 11:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Burn it down.

If the owner isn't willing to meet you halfway, that's what you do. Or you can offer to burn down his POS (if any) until he adjusts rates to be somewhat more... equitable.
Armed negotiations are really your best bet - put it into 'reenforced' and make your... requests. They're more likely to listen if you've shown you *can* burn it down.

If you burn down a POCO, nothing replaces it until you or some other like-minded soul sets up a replacement.


Edit:
Truthfully, your easiest option is to find another planet.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-01 12:03:25 UTC
Fix it with lasers

Your other option is to use a different planet btw
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-01 12:34:02 UTC
Use the force!
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#6 - 2013-02-01 12:42:38 UTC


Gunboat Diplomacy

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-02-01 12:50:37 UTC
Is there suddenly a shortage of other planets or something ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Watson Crick
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#8 - 2013-02-01 13:17:35 UTC
In this wormhole...yes.
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-01 13:20:32 UTC
Put it in reenforced and make your demands known. If they don't listen, finish the job.

EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#10 - 2013-02-01 15:44:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Is there suddenly a shortage of other planets or something ?

Is there a reason NOT to burn it down?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#11 - 2013-02-01 16:11:50 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Is there suddenly a shortage of other planets or something ?

Is there a reason NOT to burn it down?

Burning POCOs is the first step in evicting squatters from your WH. Either they give you a nice favorable 'Friends and Neighbors' rate (like 0%) or break-out the flamethrowers.

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Myrissa Kistel
Planetary Logistics
#12 - 2013-02-01 17:07:05 UTC
How many people does it take to take down a POCO? Could a group of 4 in battleships do it in a reasonable amount time, like under an hour or is an all day thing requiring dreads?

I would like to know for science reasons.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-01 17:16:14 UTC
Watson Crick wrote:
In this wormhole...yes.


Who own's it?

I had an alt that abandoned a few in a WH once. If it's mine you can have it :P
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#14 - 2013-02-01 17:17:57 UTC
Myrissa Kistel wrote:
How many people does it take to take down a POCO? Could a group of 4 in battleships do it in a reasonable amount time, like under an hour or is an all day thing requiring dreads?

I would like to know for science reasons.

Last time we burned one, it took five of us, mostly in Ravens, about an hour and a half or two hours (IIRC) to put it in re-enforced. But none of us are battleship specialists and our fitting & DPS was pretty weak. Real BS artists (!) could do it faster, I'm certain.

Then you have to wait out the timer, and open fire again.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#15 - 2013-02-01 17:31:51 UTC
Kill it. That's all you can do. Also storm planets are over-rated, you can pretty much get everything from other planets. Certainly you don't need one for POS fuel components. I do just fine with gas, lava and barren planets.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-02-01 18:32:55 UTC
Watson Crick wrote:
In this wormhole...yes.



Is there a sudden shortage of other WormHoles ? What?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-02-01 18:33:47 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Is there suddenly a shortage of other planets or something ?

Is there a reason NOT to burn it down?


Why bother when there are other options. Let them stew in their own stupidity in not going for Profit.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#18 - 2013-02-01 19:30:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Watson Crick wrote:
In this wormhole...yes.



Is there a sudden shortage of other WormHoles ? What?

Actually, finding a WH that suits your needs and isn't already occupied by a dangerous neighbor is a chancy thing. It can be done, of course, but why go to all that work when you have one already? So... You shoot the POCO until it goes into re-enenforce, then open negotiations for a suitable rate. Typically, the rate you charge your own folks. If you're feeling charitible, you can offer to reciprocate with your own POCOs. For a neighbor who has military parity with you, the offer of reciprocal rates usually averts an unneccessary and expensive war.

This does not mean you need to refrain from shooting each other in the face - Indeed, it makes it easier to sustain prolonged face-shooting, as you both have more of the resources necessary to keep it up.
Twisted

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Is there suddenly a shortage of other planets or something ?

Is there a reason NOT to burn it down?


Why bother when there are other options. Let them stew in their own stupidity in not going for Profit.

Well, see... There is another side - Sometimes, you *want* those resources. And that POCO is in your way. So it has to come down. If the other folks won't negotiate or won't negotiate to your satisfaction, or worse, have abandoned the WH and moved on, well... Burn it down.

The last one we burned down was because the bonehead owner wouldn't play 'nice' (by WH standards). So... We chased him out, and sent his POCO to hell in a bonfire. We currently share our primary WH with another corp, and they've played by the rules (such as they are, in W-Space). Everyone profits. Except for intruders... they face twice the sniping and harassment because there are two healthy corps resident.

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Watson Crick
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2013-02-04 16:59:54 UTC
Epilogue:

I contacted the owner of the POCOs and he agreed to reduce the tax rates of his customs offices to 10%

He also mentioned that he had a scanning alt in the system. Destroying the POCOs could have had some unpleasant consequences.

In the end everyone seems satisfied with the final arrangement.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-02-04 17:22:33 UTC
Watson Crick wrote:
Epilogue:

I contacted the owner of the POCOs and he agreed to reduce the tax rates of his customs offices to 10%

He also mentioned that he had a scanning alt in the system. Destroying the POCOs could have had some unpleasant consequences.

In the end everyone seems satisfied with the final arrangement.


What is this - reasonable discourse and a non-violent outcome?

IN MAI EVE?!?!

This travesty cannot be allowed.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
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