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Great minds, I was just bringing this up in the industry forum the other day. If they want destructible stations, more than 1 station per system, modular pos, pos planted anywhere - why not just have 1 structure instead of the 2. Get rid of stations and tie all the station services into the POS - awesome idea - because I had the same one

It would allow people to run a POS as a profession also. Rent offices, try and build systems to accomodate office renters, fill a market for pirates who live there, or simply a refinery pos for your own use.

Really glad I wasn't the only one to come up with this idea, I was about to ****-can it ;)

Without being able to look at the code I cannot say exactly how hard the refining by person would be but if you just tied it to the current station refining algorithm and just set the rep to 10 or 5 depending on the persons standing to the POS owner and this would automatically tie in the persons skills like the current refine does, if the output is to be delayed just route it to a sub procedure.


Anyway I like the idea of Player owned Stations of modular design but instead of stuffing around and worrying about wether players will make huge space dongs why not just make a system where you can choose a slot on 1 of the 6 faces of the existing structure. This would also allow multiple stations to tie in the power and CPU available while increasing the costs.
Personally I don't care about pretty I want working. Hell if it looks like a borg cube at least it would be a borg cube that works.

Same goes for defense I would like to loose say CPU to add extra armor to the POS and be able to fit gun modules within the pos (this is actually harder as they would need to be part of the structure while able to be targeted individually, or for an easier fix just let them sit off the pos like station guns do atm)

Also I think the size you can build should be truly modular having no baring on whether you are a person, corp or alliance. You should be able to build as big as you want to pay for.

Edit: as to the mean time frankly not fussed.

Keep the likes and responses .. Let's get this easy one updated!

As a solo low-sec miner living out of a POS with a medium intensive refining array, I'd really like to see some major changes with the refineries and your proposal addresses many of them.

However:
- I think the revised capacity values for all 3 types is too large....especially for low sec, we're constantly having to return to the pos to avoid being ganked so we can't mine for more than 1hr at a time, and frequently no more than 15-30 minutes. I always drop off new ore at the refinery whenever I stop by. ...so I'd really appreciate it if there was a refinery with near 100% efficiency targeted at processing no more than 100K every 30 minutes. This help make me think the extra risks I'm taking operating in low-sec are being rewarded.
- Another major issue is that in order to keep safe in lowsec, I need a large tower, and to pay for the large tower, I have to moon mine and moon mining takes up a ton of cpu..the moon harvestors/silos/reactors are constantly competing for available cpu with the refinery. If we're updating the refineries, let's pay careful attention to how it might impact the 'industrial' player in lowsec and minimizing cpu is extremely helpful. I don't mind other tradeoffs to make that work...such as the reduced ore capacity to no more than 100K or 30 minute cycles rather than 15 minute.
- Lastly, there needs to be some way to reprocess in a pos....my system might get camped and I may need to tear down some existing things to manufacture new ships/etc. Or, while I'm mining I kill rats but have no way to reprocess the rat loot w/o trying to go through camps to the nearest station. I'm fine if the reprocessing isn't as efficient as a station, make 10-20% less...but I would hope that we could include scrapmetal reprocessing in with an update to the pos refineries. Even if it is only usable on the smallest one and has a small penalty.

Thanks.

Fully supported.
I think this would be great. The only reason POS refineries are not used is the 75% hard cap. Some wormhole corps still use them as shipping raw ore out and minerals in is more hassle than losing 25%.

Even if nothing was done but removing the hard cap it would make a huge difference. The excessively small batches would still make them a pain to use, but at least you would not be losing 25% of your minerals.

I have used POS refineries in the past for ICE as they do refine ICE at 100%. I can refine at a 35% refinery with zero waste on two of my characters. If I could refine at a POS even if hard capped at 95% I would. A slight loss is worth it on some remote ops. But 25% has made this module almost unusable.

You can say all you want that why should CCP spend time changing a module that is not used. But in fact the need for this change is the reason it is not used. I am sure it would not be a waste of time, I expect even with the new POS mechanics, if we ever see them, many existing POS modules will be incorporated with minimal changes. This could be one of those modules.

Still looking to keep this easy one going!

Solution to 1: use "brain in a box" to tie to "activity line in a box" so that each job in an activity line is calculated based on the skills of the person preparing the job.

Solution to 2: rather than change existing refinery modules, introduce two new modules: refinery and reprocessing plant. Add the new functionality to these two modules. Thus the only legacy code to interfere with is the "this thing requires CPU & PG from the anchored CT". Then when modular POSes come along, both the "line activity in a box" and the refinery/reprocessing code can be reused. Oh, and as a freebie you get to replace existing "refineries" with the new Refinery and Reprocessing activity lines.

It's been said that even CCP is scared as **** of the current POS code and won't try messing with it unless it breaks, and I don't think CCP thinks that refining arrays are broken. Useless, quite likely, broken, no.

All we can hope for is a swift implementation of the new starbase system.

Keeping the POS industry alive!

lol .. good comments .. and welcome to the "dark side."