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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-01-31 14:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Hi all,

Moving people around in fleet is fun, because basically everything that requires 4 levels of context menu is.

As fun as it is, I thought it would be handier to allow commanders to drag people around in the fleet, so in the build we have on Sisi today you can do just that.

I would like to use this thread to collect feedback on this "feature", and please tell me if something is not working as expected.
(moving rules are just the same as they are now on TQ, just made easier).

Here is my understanding of the moving rules, please let me now if you know better P
  • a fleet commander or fleet owner can move anyone around in the fleet
  • wing commander can move anyone around in their own wing
  • a squad commander can demote him/herself to be a squad member (not sure that works right now though)
  • with free move, anyone can move themselves to any squad in the fleet, but not make themselves fleet/wing commanders


So how this works(only works in the hierarchy view of the fleet):
  • When you (as a commander or fleet owner) try to move people around, the "cell" you drag them to is highlighted white if you can drop the person there, otherwise red (meaning you are not allowed, position is filled or squad is full).
  • if you drop a guy on a fleet/wing commander "cell" and there is guy in that position, nothing happens
  • if you drop a guy on a squad commander "cell" and there is a guy in that position, the dropped guy is added to that squad if there is room in it
  • if you drop a guy on a squad member, your guy is added to that squad the other guy is in

    • If you drag someone who's not in your fleet to a position, that guy will be invited to join in that position (still missing feedback in the build we have on Sisi right now).

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2013-01-31 14:13:30 UTC
i was talking to CCP Karkur about this, and my basic reaction was:

HOLLY CRAP WTF BBQ AWESOMESAUCE WOW! WE CAN DO THAT!

I may also have said that this kind of feature is the thing that makes FCs want to marry her. Creepy maybe, but such an awesome feature!

I cannot wait to test this in tonight's mass test.

p.s. This post needs more then 1 like...

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#3 - 2013-01-31 14:15:45 UTC
This is truly epic and I love you for it.
Would it be nice to have a "replace squad/wing commander" promt so you dont have to demote a person before promoting another? I assume just replacing without asking might be annoying...

A possible list with 3 selections (like when someone convos you) with:

A : Move to squad/wing commander and demote current commander
B : Move to squad/wing and keep current commander
C : Cancel move

Thank you for making fleets easier!!

Pinky
Xtrah
Overload This
#4 - 2013-01-31 14:23:54 UTC
Wait.. Drag and drop?!

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hfo df
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2013-01-31 14:35:19 UTC
Can you make the lines in the FC fleet overview grid multiline copy pastable? (By making it multiselect, its single select atm .... i can already copy paste the one highlighted line in the grid.)
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-31 14:43:19 UTC
Can we get a fleet Window that is not as 'listy' as it is today?


Think of the wow raid overview, but bigger, 5 wings as columns next to each other, 5 squads as rows, 10 slots as single cells

Fleet command, boss, booster, whatever easily visible via symbols, everything can be drag/dropped by the people on higher positions.

Also: awesome to see you work on this, fleet management is a major pain in the ass
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2013-01-31 14:46:59 UTC
hfo df wrote:
Can you make the lines in the FC fleet overview grid multiline copy pastable? (By making it multiselect, its single select atm .... i can already copy paste the one highlighted line in the grid.)

selecting no line and doing ctrl+c will copy all Smile

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-31 15:08:37 UTC
I love you.

That is all.

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Tetsel
House Amamake
#9 - 2013-01-31 15:11:51 UTC
Is it possible that a random squad member could eventually free move everybody else in the fleet without being owner/FC/etc etc...
It could provide some lulz, useless boosters and raging FC ? Twisted
Please...

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-31 15:17:45 UTC
Karkur is the stealth-bomber of CCP. Every so often she uncloaks and unloads some serious area-of-effect awesome on unsuspecting podpilots.

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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2013-01-31 15:18:38 UTC
This is really nice. No longer will I get lost in context menus trying to move people around :swoon:

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Razul Ora'mac
Amarrian Special Forces
#12 - 2013-01-31 15:39:06 UTC
Shocked this i like!

Will there be any way to regain control of the Fleet if the Fleet-Boss dc's and the AFK-Fleet Booster gets the Star?
Phyridean
Derp Shipping Co.
#13 - 2013-01-31 15:49:11 UTC
There, you can just have all of my likes.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-01-31 17:08:26 UTC
Dear CCP Karkur,

Please make it so that we can save and reuse fleet configs, including wing and squad titles and MoTD.

Love,

Malc

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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#15 - 2013-01-31 17:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: MailDeadDrop
Razul Ora'mac wrote:
Shocked this i like!

Will there be any way to regain control of the Fleet if the Fleet-Boss dc's and the AFK-Fleet Booster gets the Star?

I, too, like this.

Along with Razul's question, could we perhaps have a "Fleet XO" position identified in the same way that boosters are identified (right-click set as booster, name has a symbol in fleet window)? The Fleet XO would have the same fleet "move people around" ability as the Fleet Boss, and would automatically receive the star (become fleet boss) when the current fleet boss leaves fleet.

My feeling is that the XO would relieve the Fleet Boss of some of the details of fleet management and also provide a safety for catching the star when the fleet boss disconnects.

Edit: additional behavior details:
Setting someone as XO revokes XO on anyone else previously designated.
Setting someone as fleet boss (passing the star) makes you the XO, unless an XO is already designated. If XO is already designated, you become just a normal fleet member (in whatever position you're in) just like passing the star does now.
Should the XO be able to edit the fleet advert? My feeling is no.
Should the XO be able to change the free move status? My feeling is yes, but I could go either way.
Should the XO be able to warp the fleet? My feeling is no.
Should the XO be able to make fleet broadcasts? My feeling is yes, but I could go either way. Edit: durr. Anyone can make all-fleet broadcasts. Nevermind.
Should the XO be able to invite people to any position? My feeling is yes. (Since they can move them there, why not invite them there?)

MDD
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-31 21:19:25 UTC
Did you fix the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone moves in fleet the fleet members window resets and scrolls all the way to the top again?

Because if not, then this feature will quickly become extremely irritating to use.

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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#17 - 2013-01-31 21:26:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Did you fix the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone moves in fleet the fleet members window resets and scrolls all the way to the top again?

Because if not, then this feature will quickly become extremely irritating to use.


I noticed this happening today
Circumstantial Evidence
#18 - 2013-01-31 21:28:15 UTC
Razul Ora'mac wrote:
Will there be any way to regain control of the Fleet if the Fleet-Boss dc's and the AFK-Fleet Booster gets the Star?
+2

Fleet boss disconnect, followed by semi-random new fleet boss assignment, is a major pain point. Please give us a way to designate a backup!
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2013-01-31 21:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Allandri wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Did you fix the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone moves in fleet the fleet members window resets and scrolls all the way to the top again?

Because if not, then this feature will quickly become extremely irritating to use.


I noticed this happening today

It's happens every now and then, definitely not always. I can look into why it's not staying where it should be.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#20 - 2013-01-31 23:28:27 UTC
I suck helium for CCP Karkur, that is how awesome she is Lol

Awesome tweak, thank you very much! I will echo the other opiners here with their request for a sensible way to handle the disconnection of the fleet "boss". Perhaps a way for the fleet to "mutiny" and force the boss privilege to move to someone else (preferably one of the mutineers, since they are obviously at-keyboard and not having connection/somnolence issues).

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