EVE General Discussion

I don't know how common it is, but I have been in some corps that are super-friendly to miners.

The one I'm thinking of had a tax rate of 10%.

They offered ship replacement for corp-op-related-losses.

tier 1 and 2 npc loot was generally donated to the corp hangers for poor players to use and was recycled if it accumulated, but anythign worth a crap was kept by the players. pvp kill loot was split among the folks that were in on the kill. If desired the corp would buy at jita prices, so all parties could get their "cut" of the spoils in isk without having to wait on the trip to jita.

But these things didn't generate enough minerals to fund the corp replacement program, so they bought minerals from corp members at 10% above Jita prices. Didn't matter if you mined them or if you wanted to put together the logistics to bring a freighter load in. ( this was before jump freighters were very common ) They used the tax revenue to offset the extra isk cost, and it kept the corporation with a strong & healthy industrial backbone that felt appreciated. Not only were they getting a decent price for their work, but they were saved traveling to a market hub to sell their wares.

I think many corporations miss the boat because they either don't have the time, or don't make the time to put things into place that allow folks to make money for the corp. Taxes are a beautiful example of how to fund such things, because they make it possible to let members do level 4 missions 24/7 and still make a reasonable contribution to the corporation. If those funds are then used so that a corporation can actually replace lost ships, pay a premium on grindy industrial stuff, and even throw a little isk towards the guy that's willing to sit and be a lookout to protect a mining op for several hours.

There's lots of ways to show appreciation, but the best way is by finding out what your members actually want to do, make it so they can do exactly that, but to the beneifit of the corp. and to the folks that want to tell everyone how to spend their eve time -- tell them to stuff it! The good leader will make the corp work for it's members, and then the members will be working for the corp whether they know it or not.

o/

What problem are you suggesting I have?

Wait wait wait, are we trying to grief the npc corps or recruit them?
You seem to have constructed a schizoid strawman, it doesn't know what it wants.

I'm not for wardeccing NPC corps. Merely making them deccable on an individual basis as if part of a 1-man corp, effectively 'freelancers'.
A 'freelancer' based system would of course come with all the benefits of a 1-man corp, such as removing the 11% tax rate.

That's most of this thread, to be honest.

The existance of NPC corps serves one clear purpose and does it effectively to the deteriment of bitter vets, it offers safty to new players or players that have no desire to be part of certain elements of the game like war decs.

The moment you exposes NPC corp members to any form of disruption to this semi-safty, semi-anonymous state and create any sort of forced into the frey mechanics Eve players will abuse the living hell out of it. It will be used for a single and only purpose of griefing people. This is the reason this conversation is completetly pointless, CCP will never make this change.. ever.

Not saying I agree one way or the other, but having a conversation about an imaginary scenario which you know with 100% certaintity will never happen is counter productive.

I think the conversation should be about how to get players to willingly on their own accord to leave NPC corps and join the rest of the Eve community.

lol
INK has the least blues of any sov-holding entity in 0.0.
this is worse then the nova fox post claiming I'm trying to simultaneously both recruit and grief npc corp members, but better then the mr kidd post asking to explain why NPC corps are bad but forbade involving PvP, PvE or gameplay in the argument.

I think you might want to re-read the message.

Mining in High Sec, Trading In High Sec, Manufacuring In High Sec, Researching In High Sec.. all of these are aggressive and competative actions. When you do them out of an NPC corps your competitors have no legitimate way to stop you. Hence they degress to finding loop holes in the mechanics. In addition 99% of all griefers in the game hide in NPC corps be they scammers, suicide gankers or any other form of mechanical circumvention which again leaves their victims with no recourse whatsoever.

When someone suicide ganks you... they are an anonymous soon to be deleted NPC corp member. The bounty system, the war dec system, Eve reputation .. all the thinks that make Eve have consequences for people are circumvented.

So there is a big problem with NPC corps, they are effectively a work around mechanics that exist to ensure that PvP in all its forms can exist.

That said.. I don't think its going to change and its mute to discuss it, but if you don't see the problem you don't understand what Eve is, which with your post is clear as day.

no because i understand that I can manufacture, research, move and sell my goods without undocking and so wardecs mean nothing. Onlyt noobs mine and thank god for that.

you are actually upset about additional character slots, recycling and multiple accounts not NPC corp characters. remove NPC corps and you'll still get ganked by anonymous characters soon to be biomassed.

Guess you abandoned the 'NPC corps are for casuals' argument in the face of facts, so you come out with this non-sequitor :).
Unfortunately, this new road you've taken by claiming that cost will prevent harm from coming to AFK miners, making wardec reform futile, merely shows ignorance on your part of the vast sums of money doled out in events you may not have heard of called "Hulkageddon".

And now you abandoned the "a 50M wardec fee will ensure no AFK miner in an ice belt will be wardecced" argument in record time now that you were reminded that things like Hulkageddon happened.