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Gallente got their Medal.

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-01-29 16:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
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The solution is the same solution that was proposed years ago. Notify militias when plexes are attacked. It will end Hide and Seek plexing. That proposal got lost in the discussion of tiers and lp.

Now that they removed GCC, FW is really just for the farming.

Being neutral is delivering many more plex fighting opportunities. There is no need to limit yourself to only about half the targets that might be in a plex at one time. Moreover you always have access to nearby ships since you don't need to orbit buttons to dock. I can keep my kestrels everywhere!

I'm not knocking FW by the way. I will keep pve alts in it because it is very good paying pve; better than incursions. I'm just saying with the gcc removed I don't see why pvpers limit their targets so much.

Of course, if there was some sort of notification system, then there would be a reason for pvpers to join fw.


Forget the notification system.
What you want to do if 6 stabbed galmils are coming into system? Catch them? They have cloaks and stabs fitted (EVEN ON VEXORS!!!). Locusts everywhere.
No we need a warpcore stab ban, a notification system and better rats.

But we all know that this won´t come :P

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#22 - 2013-01-29 16:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
Some bad idea that would make no difference.


Dude, stop. If you dont know what systems are being plexed by now its hard to imagine that you have the literacy to read an evemail or any other notification. All the information required is in the militia window already. At the moment the answer is pretty simple, everywhere.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-01-29 16:46:34 UTC
Pinky Denmark wrote:
It's not like 99% of caldari want to pvp anyway - FW completely broken by stabbed passifists...

There be truth in that.

So when can we expect FW to be PvP focused instead of farm focused .. eh, Fozz?

PS: Saddened Good to see that CCP is still taking the knee at the slightest forum activity .. will serve them well when null starts raving about the paradigm shift necessary to make it all-it-can-be Big smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#24 - 2013-01-29 16:48:24 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Quote:
The solution is the same solution that was proposed years ago. Notify militias when plexes are attacked. It will end Hide and Seek plexing. That proposal got lost in the discussion of tiers and lp.

Now that they removed GCC, FW is really just for the farming.

Being neutral is delivering many more plex fighting opportunities. There is no need to limit yourself to only about half the targets that might be in a plex at one time. Moreover you always have access to nearby ships since you don't need to orbit buttons to dock. I can keep my kestrels everywhere!

I'm not knocking FW by the way. I will keep pve alts in it because it is very good paying pve; better than incursions. I'm just saying with the gcc removed I don't see why pvpers limit their targets so much.

Of course, if there was some sort of notification system, then there would be a reason for pvpers to join fw.


Forget the notification system.
What you want to do if 6 stabbed galmils are coming into system? Catch them? They have cloaks and stabs fitted (EVEN ON VEXORS!!!). Locusts everywhere.
No we need a warpcore stab ban, a notification system and better rats.

But we all know that this won´t come :P


If you combine a notification system with some sort of rollback timer the farmers will be wasting their time and stop. You don't need to catch them. Just don't let them hide and plex for profit. By ending the hide and seek plexing the farming will all but end.

The only people left taking plexes will be those who are willing to fight for them.


Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Some bad idea that would make no difference.


Dude, stop. If you dont know what systems are being plexed by now its hard to imagine that you have the literacy to read an evemail or any other notification. All the information required is in the militia window already.


You do not know how many plexes are being captured at any given time. You might know where some large force is plexing but there are dozens of plexes being taken by hide and seek plexers every minute.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#25 - 2013-01-29 17:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
CONGRATS BOYS AND GIRLS :)

♥CCP FOZZIE AND TEAM



Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Congrats gals.
You have shown that you are eves biggest carebears in a completely broken fw system.
Can we have plz a fix for fw now?
How many stabbed galmil vexors and farmers we need to kill again?
Are there peeps in galmil WITHOUT warp core stabs on their ships? Or people NOT running away in algos+enyo from a little lonely hookbill? Have my doubts inbetween....

I know amarr militia is doing better now. But only because all these damn farmers joined us. I hate it. Farmville everywhere.
FW Tier system is 98% pve mechanic.
Congrats. We now know who is biggest carebear alliance in eve^^



farming happens in every aspect of isk making in eve FACT

You wanna see wcs less gallentes come over to our space im sure ull find a good time just ask fweddit and agony about the oms fight......
Pretty fkin stupid to generalise a race cos your chasing a gallente in the amarr/minnie warzone when u know its a farmer. We have loads of amarr farmers here that we know is going to be stabbed its either fit more points to ur ship to catch them or just leave them the fk alone and go find a real fight
HazeInADaze
Safari Hunt Club
#26 - 2013-01-29 17:10:15 UTC
Well conceived, well executed, well deserved.

Congrats.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#27 - 2013-01-29 17:13:35 UTC
also forget a plex notification can u imagine how much spam ull get when plexes are being opend up all over not to mention the extra workload on the server to send 1000s of pilots messages everytime a plex opens.........

i would just fly system to system opening a plex just to troll the fk outa the opposing side Big smileBig smileBig smile and it would happen vice versa too im sure
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#28 - 2013-01-29 17:14:18 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
CONGRATS BOYS AND GIRLS :)

♥CCP FOZZIE AND TEAM



Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Congrats gals.
You have shown that you are eves biggest carebears in a completely broken fw system.
Can we have plz a fix for fw now?
How many stabbed galmil vexors and farmers we need to kill again?
Are there peeps in galmil WITHOUT warp core stabs on their ships? Or people NOT running away in algos+enyo from a little lonely hookbill? Have my doubts inbetween....

I know amarr militia is doing better now. But only because all these damn farmers joined us. I hate it. Farmville everywhere.
FW Tier system is 98% pve mechanic.
Congrats. We now know who is biggest carebear alliance in eve^^



farming happens in every aspect of isk making in eve FACT

You wanna see wcs less gallentes come over to our space im sure ull find a good time just ask fweddit and agony about the oms fight......
Pretty fkin stupid to generalise a race cos your chasing a gallente in the amarr/minnie warzone when u know its a farmer. We have loads of amarr farmers here that we know is going to be stabbed its either fit more points to ur ship to catch them or just leave them the fk alone and go find a real fight



Thats sort of the point.

The sov mechanic is largely pve. If you want fights then just meet up in OMS or some base system and fight on a gate. Of course the pvp doesn't effect sov. The actual sov changing plexes are best run in pve stabbed ships.

This is why fw was broken when it came out and it still has not been fixed.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#29 - 2013-01-29 17:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
also forget a plex notification can u imagine how much spam ull get when plexes are being opend up all over not to mention the extra workload on the server to send 1000s of pilots messages everytime a plex opens.........

i would just fly system to system opening a plex just to troll the fk outa the opposing side Big smileBig smileBig smile and it would happen vice versa too im sure



This claimed problem has been addressed repeatedly. Just allow players to filter their notifications within a certain number of jumps or within a region etc.

Also if the militias divided the fronts into different sectors and spread out a few pvp pilots then your trolling would only waste your own time. Its not like a huge blob is going to go 15 jumps to chase someone out of a small plex.

People could still form blobs to fight on gates if they want. But there would also be people who are interested in pvping in plexes that would spread out and cover different sections of space. They could assign pilots to the different sectors as needed.

Combine a timer rollback with notifications and the farming would end.

People keep trying to imagine reasons why it wouldn't work, but it should be clear to anyone who really thinks it through it would work far better than the current hide and plex mechanics.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#30 - 2013-01-29 17:35:03 UTC
Many thanks to the developers who interrupted their release schedule to work this in.

Much respect to the player base of occupancy low-sec for having participated in the creation of this content.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#31 - 2013-01-29 17:41:43 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Quote:
The solution is the same solution that was proposed years ago. Notify militias when plexes are attacked. It will end Hide and Seek plexing. That proposal got lost in the discussion of tiers and lp.

Now that they removed GCC, FW is really just for the farming.

Being neutral is delivering many more plex fighting opportunities. There is no need to limit yourself to only about half the targets that might be in a plex at one time. Moreover you always have access to nearby ships since you don't need to orbit buttons to dock. I can keep my kestrels everywhere!

I'm not knocking FW by the way. I will keep pve alts in it because it is very good paying pve; better than incursions. I'm just saying with the gcc removed I don't see why pvpers limit their targets so much.

Of course, if there was some sort of notification system, then there would be a reason for pvpers to join fw.


Forget the notification system.
What you want to do if 6 stabbed galmils are coming into system? Catch them? They have cloaks and stabs fitted (EVEN ON VEXORS!!!). Locusts everywhere.
No we need a warpcore stab ban, a notification system and better rats.

But we all know that this won´t come :P


If you combine a notification system with some sort of rollback timer the farmers will be wasting their time and stop. You don't need to catch them. Just don't let them hide and plex for profit. By ending the hide and seek plexing the farming will all but end.

The only people left taking plexes will be those who are willing to fight for them.


Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Some bad idea that would make no difference.


Dude, stop. If you dont know what systems are being plexed by now its hard to imagine that you have the literacy to read an evemail or any other notification. All the information required is in the militia window already.


You do not know how many plexes are being captured at any given time. You might know where some large force is plexing but there are dozens of plexes being taken by hide and seek plexers every minute.


Rolling back timer is what would hurt them since no one is going to chase them around for more than 5 minutes. If you want to chase farmers around now, its not like they are hard to find dude. Some ******** notification hardly helps.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-01-29 17:43:53 UTC
Sorry. I maybe generalized too much.
In fact we even had some good fights vs gals (yesterdy for example) and gal fights are mostly good fights because they aren´t these boosted punks like minnies.
I am simply raging that we in fact still have farmwars. Maybe even worse than in Inferno.
In inferno the farmers mostly hadn´t any spare fitting possibilities to fit 2 warp core stabs. Allthough I remember that minmatar could have been called "stabbed slashers" in august, but farming seems easier than before.
Sorry if I offended someone. Simply raging.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2013-01-29 17:58:44 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Some bad idea that would make no difference.


Dude, stop. If you dont know what systems are being plexed by now its hard to imagine that you have the literacy to read an evemail or any other notification. All the information required is in the militia window already.


You do not know how many plexes are being captured at any given time. You might know where some large force is plexing but there are dozens of plexes being taken by hide and seek plexers every minute.


Rolling back timer is what would hurt them since no one is going to chase them around for more than 5 minutes. If you want to chase farmers around now, its not like they are hard to find dude. Some ******** notification hardly helps.



This is what you don't get. There would be no more chasing if we had a notification system.

If they leave the plex that is all you care about. You don't need to chase them. You can run your own plex in the meantime.

If they go back into a plex then someone from your miltiia can go in the plex and fight them. If they leave again there is no need to actually chase them. You can just run the plex they opened, or let the timer run down due to a rollbacks. There is no need to chase them because as long as they are not running a plex you don't care where they go.


Without notifications you need to chase them if you want to prevent them from plexing. Becasue otherwise they will just go a few systems over and start a new plex and you won't realize it.

You claim that you already know who is plexing in all of the 101 systems in the caldari/gallente war, but your claim is not credible. In any case, if you already know this then what is the harm?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2013-01-29 18:01:15 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Sorry. I maybe generalized too much.
In fact we even had some good fights vs gals (yesterdy for example) and gal fights are mostly good fights because they aren´t these boosted punks like minnies.
I am simply raging that we in fact still have farmwars. Maybe even worse than in Inferno.
In inferno the farmers mostly hadn´t any spare fitting possibilities to fit 2 warp core stabs. Allthough I remember that minmatar could have been called "stabbed slashers" in august, but farming seems easier than before.
Sorry if I offended someone. Simply raging.



The farming is not as bad as it was because they made it so you have to kill the npcs before the timer runs and they reduced the payouts.

But the vast majority of plexes are still taken without any pvp. So your right, its still just a broken pve mechanic.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#35 - 2013-01-29 18:31:12 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Some bad idea that would make no difference.


Dude, stop. If you dont know what systems are being plexed by now its hard to imagine that you have the literacy to read an evemail or any other notification. All the information required is in the militia window already.


You do not know how many plexes are being captured at any given time. You might know where some large force is plexing but there are dozens of plexes being taken by hide and seek plexers every minute.


Rolling back timer is what would hurt them since no one is going to chase them around for more than 5 minutes. If you want to chase farmers around now, its not like they are hard to find dude. Some ******** notification hardly helps.



This is what you don't get. There would be no more chasing if we had a notification system.

If they leave the plex that is all you care about. You don't need to chase them. You can run your own plex in the meantime.

If they go back into a plex then someone from your miltiia can go in the plex and fight them. If they leave again there is no need to actually chase them. You can just run the plex they opened, or let the timer run down due to a rollbacks. There is no need to chase them because as long as they are not running a plex you don't care where they go.


Without notifications you need to chase them if you want to prevent them from plexing. Becasue otherwise they will just go a few systems over and start a new plex and you won't realize it.

You claim that you already know who is plexing in all of the 101 systems in the caldari/gallente war, but your claim is not credible. In any case, if you already know this then what is the harm?



So now you want to know WHO is plexing a system too? ******* christ man, why not just have a button that automatically spawns a war target 10km away from you at will?

I dont care who is plexing a system, if its a system i want to defend i will be there, if not then i wont. I dont want a notification so i can stalk the odd farmer around the warzone and in your words somehow still run my own plex in the meantime.

I think i can speak for most people that we dont want to know where farmers are, we want to know where the pvp is. Plex PvP is already pretty easy to find.

I dont understand your motivations, all i know is that it is the worst, most unrealistic (in terms of it being implemented), most inconsequential idea out there. Stop banging on about it please.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#36 - 2013-01-29 18:31:51 UTC
ofc there would be chasing ud sit in that plex they opened as u say and theyll open one 10 jumps away in a backwater somewere

as i said before all isk making aspects of the game are farmed always have and always will be
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-01-29 19:43:55 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
chatgris wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Congratulations on being the second faction to complete a sweep of a warzone ladies and gentlemen of the the Gallente.

I honestly did not think we were going to be able to do a medal when I was investigating our options, since all the staff involved with the Caldari one left the company some time ago. However thanks to CCP Greyscale's research, CCP Eterne's writing and CCP Creber Cattus' programming we were able to get it completed.

I do want to make clear that we cannot guarantee medals for any future warzone captures for any militia. We'll do what we can time and workload permitting, but we cannot make promises about future cases at this time.


If we come to fanfest, can we still get a high five?


Of course.


Sweet. Fozzie, I think we will make shirts so its easier for you to identify us to give us our high fives.

.

Sputt Nick
New Eden Motion Pictures
#38 - 2013-01-29 20:02:00 UTC
o/ Grats to all, happy days :)

I am currently unable to log in to eve, having to rebuild a pc and on a laptop. I understand from another thread that not everyone gets the medal, can anyone enlighten me as to what conditions decide this?

I'm interested as my main was the one doing the months worth of grinding, but has been inactive for the last few days (waiting for RL payday), and will be reactivated on wednesday. Part of me regretfully assumes that because he will have been inactive on the day of awarding that i'd have no shiny. A smaller optimistic part of me hopes that as he was heavily involved in the campaign this would have been recorded somehow.

Either way, Congratulations to all! o/ Happy D-day too, I know it's around here sometime :)
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#39 - 2013-01-29 20:17:58 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Sorry. I maybe generalized too much.
In fact we even had some good fights vs gals (yesterdy for example) and gal fights are mostly good fights because they aren´t these boosted punks like minnies.
I am simply raging that we in fact still have farmwars. Maybe even worse than in Inferno.
In inferno the farmers mostly hadn´t any spare fitting possibilities to fit 2 warp core stabs. Allthough I remember that minmatar could have been called "stabbed slashers" in august, but farming seems easier than before.
Sorry if I offended someone. Simply raging.


You're not the only one that has to deal with it bro -

[ 2013.01.29 13:39:01 ] hyd1205 > lol
[ 2013.01.29 13:39:12 ] Dread Operative > hmmm stabbed?
[ 2013.01.29 13:39:27 ] hyd1205 > lol
[ 2013.01.29 13:40:03 ] Dread Operative > yep stabbed. lame
[ 2013.01.29 13:40:26 ] hyd1205 > westerners always love pvp,fw must used to accumulate fortune.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#40 - 2013-01-29 21:20:52 UTC
HazeInADaze wrote:
Well conceived, well executed, well deserved.

Congrats.

Thanks. And a salute of respect to you and all the HE duders that fought hard to keep us from doing it. Even after you left Calmil after the fall of Raka (which it appears you have back now, all things in their time). You guys are the most respected group in Calmil for me and most of the galmil that I know and talk with.Smile

Dogsquat, Drama, and Hiding Serpent can whine all they want (oh and crow now that you guys have taken back some systems, which totally undermines their argument Lol) but this was a big effort of pvp, and would not have happened without pvp. The current mechanics depend on farmers as well. But neither alone can conquer the warzone without the other. So now that Caldari has taken some back maybe they will recognize the incredible contribution of their farmers as well? Also, when Caldari did it and held it for a long time it was under a different set of rules and mechanics. They are each different accomplishments both worthy of medals. Although, from what I hear as it was before my time, I can't resist saying that the calmil control of the warzone was definitely a pve driven accomplishment.

Anyway, thank you CCP. Smile

And, maybe you could turn the dial up on the pve difficulty of offensive plexing a little, and turn the lp dial down a little on the lp payout for defensive plexing and the porridge may become just the right temperature.Blink

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.