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Sleipnir and Claymore invention.
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RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#1 - 2013-01-27 05:28:16 UTC
I did some research on invention with the Cyclone and it seems as though to invent a Claymore you lose money, (this is with the Advanced Theories decryptor), and the Sleipnir seems to have a really low return on investment for a tier 2 product.

Does anyone know why this is?
Shocknawe
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-01-27 06:47:24 UTC
Command ships have fallen out of favor and the BPO holders are more than able to keep up with demand I would assume.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-01-27 06:48:37 UTC
Sleips are pretty decent right now:

http://www.eve-market-guide.com/t2item.php?id=22444

Claymores are not. Basically because demand is outstripped by MIMAF/T2 BPO production.
RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#4 - 2013-01-27 08:17:39 UTC
Thanks for both those answers.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#5 - 2013-01-27 13:38:21 UTC
Coomand ships are a small market because:

They don't get blown up so much when they're off grid boosting.
They're quite a long skill plan.

Small markets can be distorted easily by the factors mentioned above.

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Iogrim
Matterhorn.
#6 - 2013-01-28 09:05:38 UTC
Claymores are almost always loss-making. Probably T2 BPO dominating here, also small number of them destroyed.

Sleipnir on the other hand is usually pretty good performer, being decent combat ship.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-28 09:25:19 UTC
According to Isk per Hour, Claymore aren't worth making while Sleipnir make a poor 58k isk/hour so in both cases it's not a good invention product, atm at least.
Iogrim
Matterhorn.
#8 - 2013-01-28 09:35:34 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
According to Isk per Hour, Claymore aren't worth making while Sleipnir make a poor 58k isk/hour so in both cases it's not a good invention product, atm at least.


According to your little program, I assume none of T2 ships are worth building?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#9 - 2013-01-28 10:10:22 UTC
T2 ships can be made for profit where there is demand for them in null NPC hubs where logistics becomes a large part of the cost. Jita and Hi-sec are of course ruined by T2BPO's like most of the T2 market. If you were not gifted a T2BPO by CCP you simply can not compete here. If you are lookin for T2 Research try items where the T2BPO was not seeded such as the rig market but still you can face brutal competition and other inventors who sell without taking invention chance into consideration while pricing which is much like the free mineral mentality.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-28 10:14:37 UTC
Iogrim wrote:
Debra Tao wrote:
According to Isk per Hour, Claymore aren't worth making while Sleipnir make a poor 58k isk/hour so in both cases it's not a good invention product, atm at least.


According to your little program, I assume none of T2 ships are worth building?


I have said everything... Claymore isn't profitable and Sleipnir is profitble but there are far better items to invent so yeah it's not worth building Sleipnirs.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-28 10:15:48 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
T2 ships can be made for profit where there is demand for them in null NPC hubs where logistics becomes a large part of the cost. Jita and Hi-sec are of course ruined by T2BPO's like most of the T2 market. If you were not gifted a T2BPO by CCP you simply can not compete here. If you are lookin for T2 Research try items where the T2BPO was not seeded such as the rig market but still you can face brutal competition and other inventors who sell without taking invention chance into consideration while pricing which is much like the free mineral mentality.



There are plenty of T2 ships that are worth building even if you don't have a BPO, and that is true at Jita's price.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-28 10:30:57 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Jita and Hi-sec are of course ruined by T2BPO's like most of the T2 market. If you were not gifted a T2BPO by CCP you simply can not compete here.


Garbage.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#13 - 2013-01-28 11:34:59 UTC
Given to horrendous clickfest that is (module) invention, even Sleipnirs with their not that great profit margin might be preferable to, say, having to start 20 invention jobs every four hours. Blink

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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#14 - 2013-01-28 15:27:17 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Given to horrendous clickfest that is (module) invention, even Sleipnirs with their not that great profit margin might be preferable to, say, having to start 20 invention jobs every four hours. Blink



Actually it's not that bad once you build up a really good stockpile of T2 BPC's as you can invent them much faster than you can build them. Do a couple of good days of invention and then you can just run a batch every other day to easily keep up.
Lorellei Blackmoon
Blackmoon Cartel
#15 - 2013-01-28 18:37:28 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Given to horrendous clickfest that is (module) invention, even Sleipnirs with their not that great profit margin might be preferable to, say, having to start 20 invention jobs every four hours. Blink


Assuming that:
- You invent the T2 BPCs and contract them instead of building AND/OR;
- You are a POS owner and feel pressed to keep the labs busy at all times;

Then yes, I have to agree about module invention being a beyond-horrendous clickfest, and destroying an otherwise enjoyable gameplay experience.

But if your playstyle is not so hardcore it is pretty much like Toku Jiang stated. Smile
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#16 - 2013-01-28 21:01:03 UTC
T2 production? Don't go there!


  • Erratic market swings on daily basis.



  • Long manufacturing times, which dont go to well with marketswings.



  • Be ready to commit to the market undercutting frenzy
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-29 02:11:33 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
T2 production? Don't go there!


  • Erratic market swings on daily basis.



  • Long manufacturing times, which dont go to well with marketswings.



  • Be ready to commit to the market undercutting frenzy



aka please don't compete with me...
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2013-01-29 03:08:06 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
T2 production? Don't go there!

T2 is fine. T2 ships is the path to madness.

I don't build T2 ships anymore.