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Null sec Blood Raider Space Haven/Sanctum ratting ship - Rattlesnake viable?
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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-01-24 09:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Flardowell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
A legion with a bit of isk thrown at it can happily tank a 10/10 sitting still. All you have to do is shoot the neut ships etc FIRST.

Of course that goes for the other choices too...



Hahahaha what the hell are you smoking? Passive fit, it gets neuted out instantly. Even with 90+ resists, you're screwed in a 10/10 without a logi, not to mention the tracking disruption.

OP, best advice? Go back to serpentis. Blood raiders are the absolute hardest rats in the game. Both tracking disrupting and neuting is beyond a pain in the ass. You're better off sticking with Serpentis, and you'll make more isk too


tbh the only people i see doing the 10/10's are in carriers (normally 3 of them) because they're leet like that. Have known people to do them solo in legions tho... perhaps the had cap boosters... \o/

Op, i dont know of any 0.0 alliance that doesn't have access to more than one region... maybe a very tiny one ive never heard of... look around, and if worse comes to worse, you could always mine Roll

No Worries
fcosta
#22 - 2013-01-24 11:07:00 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Flardowell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
A legion with a bit of isk thrown at it can happily tank a 10/10 sitting still. All you have to do is shoot the neut ships etc FIRST.

Of course that goes for the other choices too...



Hahahaha what the hell are you smoking? Passive fit, it gets neuted out instantly. Even with 90+ resists, you're screwed in a 10/10 without a logi, not to mention the tracking disruption.

OP, best advice? Go back to serpentis. Blood raiders are the absolute hardest rats in the game. Both tracking disrupting and neuting is beyond a pain in the ass. You're better off sticking with Serpentis, and you'll make more isk too


tbh the only people i see doing the 10/10's are in carriers (normally 3 of them) because they're leet like that. Have known people to do them solo in legions tho... perhaps the had cap boosters... \o/

Op, i dont know of any 0.0 alliance that doesn't have access to more than one region... maybe a very tiny one ive never heard of... look around, and if worse comes to worse, you could always mine Roll


We are in one as renters, and all the renters are being directed to move to delve because of a situation involving a well known aliancePirate

so i believe i have no choice but t move to delveCry

plz help me out cuz i suck at fittings, and i do believe that a paladin would net me the most isk/hour.
bufnitza calatoare
#23 - 2013-01-24 15:24:52 UTC
fcosta wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Flardowell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
A legion with a bit of isk thrown at it can happily tank a 10/10 sitting still. All you have to do is shoot the neut ships etc FIRST.

Of course that goes for the other choices too...



Hahahaha what the hell are you smoking? Passive fit, it gets neuted out instantly. Even with 90+ resists, you're screwed in a 10/10 without a logi, not to mention the tracking disruption.

OP, best advice? Go back to serpentis. Blood raiders are the absolute hardest rats in the game. Both tracking disrupting and neuting is beyond a pain in the ass. You're better off sticking with Serpentis, and you'll make more isk too


tbh the only people i see doing the 10/10's are in carriers (normally 3 of them) because they're leet like that. Have known people to do them solo in legions tho... perhaps the had cap boosters... \o/

Op, i dont know of any 0.0 alliance that doesn't have access to more than one region... maybe a very tiny one ive never heard of... look around, and if worse comes to worse, you could always mine Roll


We are in one as renters, and all the renters are being directed to move to delve because of a situation involving a well known aliancePirate

so i believe i have no choice but t move to delveCry

plz help me out cuz i suck at fittings, and i do believe that a paladin would net me the most isk/hour.



paladin or nightmare are about the same.. but the nightmare gets better range due to being able to fit tachs and kill thengs upto 85km away :)

what ever ship you decide on.. do forsaken hubs.. my mach can get up to 42.x m isk a tick ( every 20 minutes )
Din'stalor Alaric
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-24 18:21:53 UTC
[Oracle, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II

Sensor Booster II
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

That's the fit i use, never lost one to rats or reds as of yet, as i said, warp into forsaken hubs at 70km, load Navy Xray and pop the popes first, oh and sit still dont bother aligning away or anything.

40km - 65km = Multifrequency
65km - 80km = Xray
80km - 105km (max lock range) = Standard

Remember, once the pope are dead, unless other things are under 40km of you, you will stop taking damage and the shield recharge is actually quite good.

It's cheap, effective and will net you 20mill a tick easy enough without faction spawns and salvage.

Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010. No ransoms honored even if offered :)
fcosta
#25 - 2013-01-25 11:53:14 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
fcosta wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
Flardowell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
A legion with a bit of isk thrown at it can happily tank a 10/10 sitting still. All you have to do is shoot the neut ships etc FIRST.

Of course that goes for the other choices too...



Hahahaha what the hell are you smoking? Passive fit, it gets neuted out instantly. Even with 90+ resists, you're screwed in a 10/10 without a logi, not to mention the tracking disruption.

OP, best advice? Go back to serpentis. Blood raiders are the absolute hardest rats in the game. Both tracking disrupting and neuting is beyond a pain in the ass. You're better off sticking with Serpentis, and you'll make more isk too


tbh the only people i see doing the 10/10's are in carriers (normally 3 of them) because they're leet like that. Have known people to do them solo in legions tho... perhaps the had cap boosters... \o/

Op, i dont know of any 0.0 alliance that doesn't have access to more than one region... maybe a very tiny one ive never heard of... look around, and if worse comes to worse, you could always mine Roll


We are in one as renters, and all the renters are being directed to move to delve because of a situation involving a well known aliancePirate

so i believe i have no choice but t move to delveCry

plz help me out cuz i suck at fittings, and i do believe that a paladin would net me the most isk/hour.



paladin or nightmare are about the same.. but the nightmare gets better range due to being able to fit tachs and kill thengs upto 85km away :)

what ever ship you decide on.. do forsaken hubs.. my mach can get up to 42.x m isk a tick ( every 20 minutes )


Thx for the imput. Are you using the mack in blood space? If yes, can you mail
fcosta
#26 - 2013-01-25 11:54:40 UTC
Din'stalor Alaric wrote:
[Oracle, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II

Sensor Booster II
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

That's the fit i use, never lost one to rats or reds as of yet, as i said, warp into forsaken hubs at 70km, load Navy Xray and pop the popes first, oh and sit still dont bother aligning away or anything.

40km - 65km = Multifrequency
65km - 80km = Xray
80km - 105km (max lock range) = Standard

Remember, once the pope are dead, unless other things are under 40km of you, you will stop taking damage and the shield recharge is actually quite good.

It's cheap, effective and will net you 20mill a tick easy enough without faction spawns and salvage.


Thx, i will for shure stup a oracle for the situation were i don't want to exit station with a multibillion isk ship.Ugh
fcosta
#27 - 2013-01-25 12:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: fcosta
what about this fit? what will it be able to do regarding blood null sec complexes?

[Rattlesnake, PLEX RATTLESNAKE]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II

this will go with the right type o t2 sentry's wich i don't recall the names now but i guess it will be wardens.

What do you guys think?
fcosta
#28 - 2013-01-25 12:19:53 UTC
[Rattlesnake, plex rattlesnake]

4x Torpedo Launcher II (Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Pithum A-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
2x Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
2x Shield Recharger II

3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
3x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

5x Warden II


[Statistics - fcosta]

Effective HP: 148.699 (Eve: 82.033)
Tank Ability: 1.147,88 DPS
Damage Profile - Blood Raiders (EM: 45,24%, Ex: 0,10%, Ki: 12,15%, Th: 42,51%)
Shield Resists - EM: 86,88%, Ex: 76,56%, Ki: 71,88%, Th: 89,51%
Armor Resists - EM: 50,00%, Ex: 10,00%, Ki: 25,00%, Th: 45,00%

Capacitor (Stable at 76,82%)

Volley Damage: 4.290,64
DPS: 741,70

What about this version were you run the invul if necessary?
Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-01-26 19:48:49 UTC
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.
bufnitza calatoare
#30 - 2013-01-26 20:05:25 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Flardowell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
A legion with a bit of isk thrown at it can happily tank a 10/10 sitting still. All you have to do is shoot the neut ships etc FIRST.

Of course that goes for the other choices too...



Hahahaha what the hell are you smoking? Passive fit, it gets neuted out instantly. Even with 90+ resists, you're screwed in a 10/10 without a logi, not to mention the tracking disruption.

OP, best advice? Go back to serpentis. Blood raiders are the absolute hardest rats in the game. Both tracking disrupting and neuting is beyond a pain in the ass. You're better off sticking with Serpentis, and you'll make more isk too


tbh the only people i see doing the 10/10's are in carriers (normally 3 of them) because they're leet like that. Have known people to do them solo in legions tho... perhaps the had cap boosters... \o/

Op, i dont know of any 0.0 alliance that doesn't have access to more than one region... maybe a very tiny one ive never heard of... look around, and if worse comes to worse, you could always mine Roll



interesting...

sinec when was cap ships able to do 10/10's??? they cant do the following ones I know of. blood/sansha/serp and angels. all have gates.

and I am sure the gurista 10/10 has gates too..
bufnitza calatoare
#31 - 2013-01-26 20:07:33 UTC
Certo Morte wrote:
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.



the vargur with a proper tank and implants along with a OGB can do a angel 10/10
how ever ya do need marauders 5.
Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-01-26 20:46:25 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Certo Morte wrote:
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.



the vargur with a proper tank and implants along with a OGB can do a angel 10/10
how ever ya do need marauders 5.


I apologize let me clarify, you can't do blood 10/10's with a single ship, hell i don't even think a carrier by itself could handle that damn thing
bufnitza calatoare
#33 - 2013-01-26 23:53:18 UTC
Certo Morte wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Certo Morte wrote:
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.



the vargur with a proper tank and implants along with a OGB can do a angel 10/10
how ever ya do need marauders 5.


I apologize let me clarify, you can't do blood 10/10's with a single ship, hell i don't even think a carrier by itself could handle that damn thing



ok I agree with that one... if a carrier could get into the blood 10/10, it would die big time...

B4 ccp buffed npc's I used a hic to tack the blood 10/10 and had one guardian to rep me.. and one dps to kill everything.
fcosta
#34 - 2013-01-28 09:16:33 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Certo Morte wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Certo Morte wrote:
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.



the vargur with a proper tank and implants along with a OGB can do a angel 10/10
how ever ya do need marauders 5.


I apologize let me clarify, you can't do blood 10/10's with a single ship, hell i don't even think a carrier by itself could handle that damn thing



ok I agree with that one... if a carrier could get into the blood 10/10, it would die big time...

B4 ccp buffed npc's I used a hic to tack the blood 10/10 and had one guardian to rep me.. and one dps to kill everything.



thx for the reply's guys. I actualy have a corp m8 that solo's serpentis 10/10 in a tengu.
fcosta
#35 - 2013-01-28 09:19:27 UTC
Certo Morte wrote:
You can't do the 10/10's in a solo ship.

Also, you aren't being forced or directed to move to delve, you were invited as an option. So you then decided to move to delve, with the hardest rats in the universe...

Go back to Fountain, you'll probably lose quite a few ships in delve, and your precious isk/hr won't ever be as good.


thx for the imput, but just to clarify, i'm not an isk grinder. I'm a renter and the small ammount of time i have to play eve is just the right amount to pay a plex for my only account. I don't have the isk power to have multiple toons like lot's of guys have, or the real money power to pay for my only account.

Anyway thx for the imput guys.
Mobius T'au
Black friday20
#36 - 2013-03-13 21:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobius T'au
The fact that you can't solo tank a 10/10 is a myth. I used to run my own Plex service in Goon and I tanked every The Maze like a charm with a T2 Proteus (Yes, only T2 modules and T1 rigs, those who tell you that you need a heavy-pimped T3 to tank a 10/10 are dickheads, it would be completely stupid anyway. And you'll never get below half-armor against the The Maze's station with a Proteus.) and no logi. Though with the AI buff you'll need to have the tank take out all webbing rats first before you can bring a less-tanked dps support.

What I would rather confirm is that you could really hardly tank a Blood 10/10 Plex, if there's so much neut I wonder how it would be possible.
Guristas 10/10 "The Maze" doesn't have any neuting batteries ..
bufnitza calatoare
#37 - 2013-03-13 22:17:01 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Tengu would "work" but defiantly not as well...

fit fit fit.... let me see...

[Legion, New Setup 1]
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Something like that... reduce tank increase gank as you can

Pimp as you see fit.



that won't tank the blood 10/10 in that. I give you 30 seconds before you are dead.
bufnitza calatoare
#38 - 2013-03-13 22:17:56 UTC
Mobius T'au wrote:
The fact that you can't solo tank a 10/10 is a myth. I used to run my own Plex service in Goon and I tanked every The Maze like a charm with a T2 Proteus (Yes, only T2 modules and T1 rigs, those who tell you that you need a heavy-pimped T3 to tank a 10/10 are dickheads, it would be completely stupid anyway. And you'll never get below half-armor against the The Maze's station with a Proteus.) and no logi. Though with the AI buff you'll need to have the tank take out all webbing rats first before you can bring a less-tanked dps support.

What I would rather confirm is that you could really hardly tank a Blood 10/10 Plex, if there's so much neut I wonder how it would be possible.
Guristas 10/10 "The Maze" doesn't have any neuting batteries ..



the maze, and angel 10/10 can be done solo in one ship.

not sure of anything else bar the blood 10/10 which cannot be done solo.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#39 - 2013-03-14 08:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysa
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Mobius T'au wrote:
The fact that you can't solo tank a 10/10 is a myth. I used to run my own Plex service in Goon and I tanked every The Maze like a charm with a T2 Proteus (Yes, only T2 modules and T1 rigs, those who tell you that you need a heavy-pimped T3 to tank a 10/10 are dickheads, it would be completely stupid anyway. And you'll never get below half-armor against the The Maze's station with a Proteus.) and no logi. Though with the AI buff you'll need to have the tank take out all webbing rats first before you can bring a less-tanked dps support.

What I would rather confirm is that you could really hardly tank a Blood 10/10 Plex, if there's so much neut I wonder how it would be possible.
Guristas 10/10 "The Maze" doesn't have any neuting batteries ..



the maze, and angel 10/10 can be done solo in one ship.

not sure of anything else bar the blood 10/10 which cannot be done solo.


The loki can solo Sansha provi 10/10 plex. Much tanks to the 98% em 94% thm tank, add a legion and its even fun making isk!

http://i.imgur.com/MX4BRpv.jpg

For true solo remove a rep gyro add another em hardener. I did it before npc changes tho, dunno how much the dmg output has changed towards last overseer.

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#40 - 2013-04-11 15:37:19 UTC
fcosta wrote:

thx for the reply's guys. I actualy have a corp m8 that solo's serpentis 10/10 in a tengu.


The serp and angel 10/10s are a joke for a cookie-cutter t2-fit tengu with average skills.

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