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insta-lock....

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-26 19:53:25 UTC
remote boosted ship (A) with scanres 5000mm (actually it is 4984) is sitting on undock.

pod (B) undocks, ship pilot starts to spam "lock".

pilot B presses "warp", pilot A starts to get locking. all modules are pre-heated.
after about 0.4 sec (what i've seen on screen) pod warps out.

just wanted to ask: what people call "instalock"? I've heard you can get it with 2800+ scanres?

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#2 - 2013-01-26 20:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Pods have no alignment time, so they're basically impossible to catch, although we did catch one at a gatecamp once (no idea how that happened) Since the eve server runs at 1 hz there's always the possibility that even if you have your mods primed the target will get away (non pod), just depending on how it prioritizes what's happening.
Also scan res of 5k is completely pointless, pretty much anything over 1500 is instalock, over 2500 or so you're just wasting slots on rsb's because of the server tick time.

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Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#3 - 2013-01-26 21:32:24 UTC
Podding someone is usually possible if A. They're in a bubble, or B. Their ship has just been blown up. The change over from ship to pod usually causes lag, so the way to avoid this is to spam warp once your ship gets into structure. That way, when your ship dies, your pod will instantaneously warp away.

As for insta lock, it is what it says on the tin - a ship with so much sensor resolution that it can instantaneously lock whatever it is you're trying to catch. Usually, the object of desire isn't someone's pod (it can be) but is someone's ship, like a Cloaky Tengu as it cloaks and warps or a frigate trying to get away from a lowsec gate camp.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2013-01-26 22:22:52 UTC
Also, your own reflexes and any latency in your connection will have an effect.

Best way to catch pods outside of nullsec is to ninja up and down the Jita <-> Amarr pipe in a thrasher and omelette the ones autopiloting to gate.

Cool
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Incorruptibles
#5 - 2013-01-26 23:21:18 UTC
If a pilot has selected a celestial on their overview and is spamming the 'warp' hotkey, it is impossible to catch their pod. The only reason you can catch pods is through lag, bubbles, or the pilot not doing this.

Someone.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-27 08:05:47 UTC
thanks to all.
this is what i had in mind but wanted to check....

Not sure if attributes of FPS like latency or personal reflexes are needed in Eve Online tho.

However thanks.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-27 08:50:59 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
thanks to all.
this is what i had in mind but wanted to check....

Not sure if attributes of FPS like latency or personal reflexes are needed in Eve Online tho.

However thanks.

personal reflexes usually don't matter as the server runs at 1 Hz and if you are unlucky your action will take place just after the last tick and you'll have to wait almost 1s until it is processed.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#8 - 2013-01-29 07:50:16 UTC
Lag caused by distance + server tick means Aussies and Kiwis find that spamming warp does not always = pod warps out.

Pods sometimes appear to be already scrammed when the ship explodes. There is no perceivable lock time.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-29 08:39:54 UTC
there is no such thing as insta lock. move on.

There is no Bob.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2013-01-29 19:23:02 UTC
Is this a stealth "Tears because i couldnt kill a pod" thread? Wait...I might need to rethink my definition of the word stealth...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#11 - 2013-01-30 04:04:43 UTC
1500 is still not instant lock.

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Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#12 - 2013-01-30 16:02:42 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Also, your own reflexes and any latency in your connection will have an effect.

Best way to catch pods outside of nullsec is to ninja up and down the Jita <-> Amarr pipe in a thrasher and omelette the ones autopiloting to gate.

Cool


How very exiting..............Shocked

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-30 16:20:55 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Is this a stealth "Tears because i couldnt kill a pod" thread? Wait...I might need to rethink my definition of the word stealth...

This is obviously can not be "stealth". People use this word for something non-visible, under the radars, etc... And you use it to your imaginary things like "tears" which are not exist Lol

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-30 16:24:27 UTC
Ravnik wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Also, your own reflexes and any latency in your connection will have an effect.

Best way to catch pods outside of nullsec is to ninja up and down the Jita <-> Amarr pipe in a thrasher and omelette the ones autopiloting to gate.

Cool


How very exiting..............Shocked

2 months ago i found myself choosing between 2 options:
- suspending accounts till i want to return
- sit on station, chat, trade and shoot at pods

Something says to me that second option is better than first. Lol

Few days ago i found myself opening Agent conversation.... Finished few missions. It looks like i can return to some action soon Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Derek Wiildstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-31 01:51:38 UTC
Eve really needs a server side action queue system. Spamming warp away, targeting, locking module on should be queued up server side and execute as soon as the action is allowable on the server. This would eliminate most of the lag in command issues.

Of course that would also eliminate the skill required when decided when to punch a cloak at a gate camp and other timing the lag based fighting issues. I guess managing lag in the interface properly is part of the skills required to be a good pilot in eve.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-02-04 13:34:42 UTC
Eve used to have a server side queue system.

It used to work exactly as described above.

It was changed as part of the 'combating lag' offensive by Team Gridlock in the Incarna release, and has never been quite the same since.

Pods are lost more frequently as a result.

Here are some example threads from around the time it happened.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1562236

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1550950

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1555017

Personally I think the additional risk to implants is a good thing.
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#17 - 2013-02-04 17:10:19 UTC
personally i think podding is just another stupid mechanic that adversely selects for those with lag issues. in theory it should not happen so long as your are spamming warp, just as catching a pod warping away from a gate camp is impossible. in practice it however it happens all the time.

that ccp would subject you, the paying customer, to something as silly, arbitrary, and uncontrollable, as losing your pod to lag caused by the change from your ship exploding, just goes to show how little the care about your experience.

podding after ship loss is literally ccp's biggest scam and where they show their least concern for the player base.

their basic attitude is, tough ****, it's the one place we count on lag to make money at your expense.