EVE General Discussion

inb4 that didn't stop test invading delve, etc.

There are 2 points to adding to the "carebear grazing land" of nullsec;

(1) To promote bottom up alliance income, so that nullsec groups have to undock and use there space rather than rely on moons while the line members goof off on highsec alts.

(2) To promote undocking and doing stuff in space to an extant that roaming gangs can not only find targets, but that (going back to point 1) doing so will financially hurt a nullsec organization, giving some value to hit and run guerrilla tactics.

the secret goal of 'farms and fields' is

- get nullsec players doing their pve in null instead of highsec
- so that we can raze each others' fields and burn down their farms and wreck their ability to supply themselves and engender real buttmad feelings within rival 0.0 alliances

I disagree with the term 'farms and fields' because the phrase is distinctly non-industrial, and I believe the solution lies within fixing POSs and boosting null industry, not 'farming', but whatever.

some of the highseccer extremists think its all a conspiracy to get them specifically to roll down in their npc corp mining toon around catch so we can all highfive each other on some mackinaw kill. really though, you can stay in highsec - you aren't wanted. your input isn't needed

0.0 has already been made more profitable than hisec by several magnitudes when people claimed it would solve every problem, and by scurrying to safety whenever a stranger enters local you're even safer there than hisec. Everyone knows this.

CCP can even check the numbers if they have to, and see how many people are turning their nose up at 0.0 income and instead running L4s on an alt. To think you can fool them again is ridiculous.

You put the ass in assume.

The much higher payouts you can get in 0.0 more than balances that out.

But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s.

Always hearing about how hisec L4s are so very easy and boring, from 0.0 players, so mining should be no different.

It's something that's high enough I wouldn't bother spending the time to try such a feat.

This will end well...

mining arkanor is less than 60M/hour

and that's with a hulk with rorqual bonuses, after probing down a grav site and it assumes you're mining arkanor continuously

meanwhile, mining crokite and bistot is less profitable than mining scordite in 0.9, and a lot more effort

pretty sure L4s pay more than that

My vision of a better sov system is to move away from structure bashing and more to small-large scale pve/pvp.

The first thing i would do is make sov based on a slide not on an absolute number.

The second thing i would do is rework annoms into group pve with enhanced AI like incursions.

To gain Sov you as a corp or alliance will have to complete various annoms and clear them of rats to maintain sov...

The annoms would have restrictions on amount of ships and size restrictions that would scale from 5 cruisers on the small level all the way to unlimited when you get to the largest annom which has the tcu in it but you dont shoot the tcu you have to kill the npc (who are in capital ships now) and fight the defending fleet...

As an added bonus on the higher tier annoms there would be a chance based system that would drop a tech II BPC of a meta 2-4 mod.

Note. Tech II meta 2-4 mods can only be made in 0.0 and only in a pos or outpost that is in a owned system.

pretty much this would take sov away from structure grind to all levels of pvp/pve that is group based and dynamic.

i would also add more ihub upgrades to make 0.0 industry worth the effort and risk.