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CCP: Where did you get the idea about NPC AI changes?
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-01-25 16:17:02 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Frankly about time the NPCs stopped acting like clay pigeons.

Yes you have to actually be at your computer now to make piles of isk, Oh the HorrorLol


That's simply not true at all. The change makes AFK mssionins and such EASIER. Before I had to put medium remote reps on a permatank Domi (5 of them, one for each drone) to AFK a mission.

Not I just use a single ECM burst to keep aggro plus a single small remote rep orr nos (directed at a targeted drone) to keep full grid aggro on the domi. Haven't lost a sentry drone in weeks while still not sitting at the computer.

* Fits cloaky

You mission where, exactly?


Gulfonodi of course. Why do you ask?

*and the trap was set*
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-01-25 16:19:36 UTC
I don't even notice the AI change anymore, Sentry drones are the new flavor of the month.

Use t1 lights and send them to their death on frigs if you can't snipe frigs right off the bat.
Phoehnix
Swiss Tax Avoidance Bank Inc
#43 - 2013-01-25 16:30:35 UTC
People are whining because they are used to playing in a specific way and its a bother to them to change.
Maybe CCP wants to move missions away from mind-dumbing gameplay to something more fun
Spurty
#44 - 2013-01-25 16:35:19 UTC
Phoehnix wrote:
People are whining because they are used to playing in a specific way and its a bother to them to change.
Maybe CCP wants to move missions away from mind-dumbing gameplay to something more fun


I agree

I'll also add that NPCs should only exist as a stepping stone to shooting PCs. Feel free to spend all day not progressing, but don't whine when the bar gets pumped up 1 notch.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2013-01-25 16:49:31 UTC
Newt Rondanse wrote:

Large drones were inappropriate tools for most L4 missions before the AI change, as they take too long to move between targets, and in many missions required careful aggro management anyway as they would go for spawn triggers and pull in remote groups that were outside range for your main ship.

Now they are worse, and you're complaining instead of using a more appropriate tool?

The rules change, learn to adapt.



And just what is your recommendation ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Newt Rondanse
Magnificent Mayhem Mining
#46 - 2013-01-25 18:27:58 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Newt Rondanse wrote:

Large drones were inappropriate tools for most L4 missions before the AI change, as they take too long to move between targets, and in many missions required careful aggro management anyway as they would go for spawn triggers and pull in remote groups that were outside range for your main ship.

Now they are worse, and you're complaining instead of using a more appropriate tool?

The rules change, learn to adapt.



And just what is your recommendation ?

Turrets, missiles, sentry drones.

Pretty much anything but heavies.
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-01-25 18:34:44 UTC
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen wrote:
Because all I see are complaints.


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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#48 - 2013-01-25 18:38:43 UTC
Came back from a long hiatus and run my first lvl4 mission. Promtly lost a Hammerhead. Learned my lesson. Drones are no longer a fire and forget weapon but need to be observed and controlled in tactical manner.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-01-25 18:42:05 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Phoehnix wrote:
People are whining because they are used to playing in a specific way and its a bother to them to change.
Maybe CCP wants to move missions away from mind-dumbing gameplay to something more fun


I agree

I'll also add that NPCs should only exist as a stepping stone to shooting PCs. Feel free to spend all day not progressing, but don't whine when the bar gets pumped up 1 notch.

NPCs exist as a source of income.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Spurty
#50 - 2013-01-25 18:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Phoehnix wrote:
People are whining because they are used to playing in a specific way and its a bother to them to change.
Maybe CCP wants to move missions away from mind-dumbing gameplay to something more fun


I agree

I'll also add that NPCs should only exist as a stepping stone to shooting PCs. Feel free to spend all day not progressing, but don't whine when the bar gets pumped up 1 notch.

NPCs exist as a source of income.


CCP you have been told!

Fix it.

Remove all guns from NPCs as they are only here for income

/me knows you really believe it as well

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#51 - 2013-01-25 18:48:06 UTC
They got the idea from me.

The Tears Must Flow
Bizmarhk
Why is this Pigeon so Big
Dracarys.
#52 - 2013-01-25 19:01:19 UTC
My biggest issue is the follow :

The majority of 0.0 dwellers are making their ISK from ratting in anomalies. Anoms as you know, have several waves of rats, and have a fairly large amount of them in the higher level anoms. Pre-Retribution I used to be able to go in and either kill or spar with said ratter/anom killer in a nano ship. Post-Retribution that is no longer possible.

On every occasion, when I enter an anom and tackle the Raven/Mach/Tengu/Ishtar (whatever it is) the rats switch and ALL shoot me. So basically this carebear, is even more risk free then before because he/she has the entire anom working against me. I can't kill anything that is in an anom on my own unless I bring some kind of shield boosting / armor repping setup which in most cases is too slow to sneak through the gauntlet that is a jump bridge network ready to pounce and camp in a solo PVPer like myself.

Please revert back to the old NPC AI for the sake of PVP as well.
Skorpynekomimi
#53 - 2013-01-25 19:12:32 UTC
CCP be trollin.

Also, the mission AI is not done. They're releasing it, checking results, then tweaking a bit, etc. JUST SHUT UP AND QUIT WHINING.
So many entitled carebears here insisting they be able to soloafkdroneboat lv4 missions.

HTFU and buy a gunboat. All it's affected my missions is making me switch to T1 drones and considering them expendable.

Economic PVP
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-01-25 19:12:40 UTC
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen wrote:
Because all I see are complaints.


Mission runners are like miners, they have trouble adapting to change.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2013-01-25 19:33:01 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen wrote:
Because all I see are complaints.


Mission runners are like miners, they have trouble adapting to change.

Unlike with the gankers though, you can make the rats stupider...

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Newt Rondanse
Magnificent Mayhem Mining
#56 - 2013-01-25 19:43:38 UTC
Bizmarhk wrote:
My biggest issue is the follow :

The majority of 0.0 dwellers are making their ISK from ratting in anomalies. Anoms as you know, have several waves of rats, and have a fairly large amount of them in the higher level anoms. Pre-Retribution I used to be able to go in and either kill or spar with said ratter/anom killer in a nano ship. Post-Retribution that is no longer possible.

On every occasion, when I enter an anom and tackle the Raven/Mach/Tengu/Ishtar (whatever it is) the rats switch and ALL shoot me. So basically this carebear, is even more risk free then before because he/she has the entire anom working against me. I can't kill anything that is in an anom on my own unless I bring some kind of shield boosting / armor repping setup which in most cases is too slow to sneak through the gauntlet that is a jump bridge network ready to pounce and camp in a solo PVPer like myself.

Please revert back to the old NPC AI for the sake of PVP as well.

Your former allies have turned on you?

Welcome to EvE, have a nice day :)
Din Chao
#57 - 2013-01-25 19:59:28 UTC
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen wrote:
@Spurty - I'm not complaining about difficulty. You obviously have reading comprehension issues if you think so and I personally have a friend who teaches remedial English if you're interested! PM me for details.

Maybe you should talk to him about the difference between the phrases "would of" and "would have."
Flakey Foont
#58 - 2013-01-25 20:04:44 UTC
Maybe they got the idea FROM ALL THE OTHER THREADS ON THIS SUBJECT!
Flakey Foont
#59 - 2013-01-25 20:05:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Newt Rondanse wrote:

Large drones were inappropriate tools for most L4 missions before the AI change, as they take too long to move between targets, and in many missions required careful aggro management anyway as they would go for spawn triggers and pull in remote groups that were outside range for your main ship.

Now they are worse, and you're complaining instead of using a more appropriate tool?

The rules change, learn to adapt.



And just what is your recommendation ?


Adapt.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-01-25 20:06:51 UTC
[quote=Spurty]EVE is many things.

Easy isn't one of them./quote]

Unless you are a miner....or a suicide ganker.

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