Ships & Modules

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Shield Auto Rupture: 511 dps, 26.3EHP (warp disruptor II, medium neut), 511*26.3 = 13,439
Shield Blaster Thorax: 680 dps, 21.3k EHP (faint warp disruptor) 680*21.3 = 14,484

Rupture loses on EHP * DPS by 8%. Has a neut which outranges the heavy nuetron blasters. Longer point range (due to fittings requirements), but can hit into the tanking hole of the Thorax.

Once Rupture puts nuet on Thorax, it will cap it out in 35 seconds.
511*35 = 17,885 EHP - which means Thorax will cap out before fight is over.

Etc..

Conclusion: Shield Rupture > Shield Thorax.

It was claimed that the Thorax both brawled and kited better than the Rupture. Both have been shown to be false.

-Liang

Neither have been shown to be fale. EFT Warrioring is a tiny fraction of the game.

The thorax is faster than the rupture in any configuration, and has higher damage in practically every realistic fitting. The thorax has the speed to dictate range and the firepower to effectively use it... or not use it if it chooses.

Yes a medium neut hurts the thorax but ruptures have always had room for 2 neuts. The rupture was generally better due to its ability to stay out of the thorax 'kill zone' long enough to wear it down, then use neuts to dump the last of the thoraxs cap and finish it off. This is no longer the case.

Making up more stuff I see.

A ship that goes 1600 m/s when the competition are breaking 2000 m/s easy isn't a kiting ship.

By these definitions the moa or the maller are great kiting ships too.

Fit your rupture with two nanofibers and two webs and tell me its better than the thorax.

Also you are saying that because people took advantage of the drakes amazing damage projection, and used skirmish links to speed them up that the rupture is okay being 400 m/s slower than the competition? I hope you know the rupture isn't even meant to be a kiting ship, the fact that you still think it is shows how much you know.

I also hope you know that a drake is a battlecruiser and a rupture isn't. You can't compare the speeds durrrrr. My "kiting tempest" goes pretty fast... So I guess by your logic my armor harb is also a good kiter!

Like I said above, get the Moa, Vexor, and Maller and they will be better "kiting ships" than the rupture by your logic. Apparently speed is irrelevant to kiting.

I guess for you anything can be a kiting ship when all you do is gank T1 fitted ships that have afterburners.

Let's take a look at your assertion that the Thorax is a better kiting ship than the Stabber. The Thorax is 20% faster than the Rupture, and the Stabber 20% faster than the Thorax. Any commentary about how the Thorax is superior due to speed is instantly invalidated by the commentary that the Stabber's speed is irrelevant.

Moving on: we will once again focus on which would win a theoretical 1v1, despite the fact that's probably not a good measure of the ships. Let's take a look at the vital stats.

Thorax: 2km/s, 22k EHP to Barrage, 210 DPS @ 24km, 77 seconds of capacitor required to fire the guns
Stabber: 2.4km/s, 20k EHP to Null, 220 DPS @ 24km, 120 of capacitor for the MWD

Thorax TTL: 100 sec
Stabber TTL: 95 sec

The only obvious outcome to me is that the Stabber will always be able to run away because it's faster.

From there, things get murky real quick. The Stabber has superior DPS at range, so unsurprisingly the Thorax's best plan is to drop drop the kiting strategy wholesale and bum rush the Stabber. The more time spent up close, the better chance of winning. As it is, even such relatively trivial issues as poor capacitor and drone travel time could spell doom for the Thorax.

The Stabber's best plan is, unsurprisingly, to kite the Thorax. The Stabber's ranged DPS advantage means that even a short time spent outside of 24km disruptor range will have a major impact on the fight. The longer the Thorax chooses to stay on the field of battle - or even worse, pursue the Stabber - the more likely it is to die.

It's worth drawing the distinction from a similar fight with the Rupture. The Thorax has superior damage up close, and the speed to unavoidably get there, but it's not superior enough to overcome the Rupture's larger tank or potential neutralizer. However kiting isn't really an option for the Thorax, because the Rupture has better ranged DPS.

Additionally, as the fight wears on the naturally weak capacitor makes it harder to actually utilize the Thorax's speed advantage. So ultimately, the Thorax will be able to run away early on but will have great difficulty actually killing the Rupture - or even escaping later in the fight.

Now at this point you're probably going to point out that the fight with the Thorax is basically it trying to DPS/EHP fight a brawler. However, the beauty of the Rupture is that it's got good DPS projection as well as pretty decent (but not great) speed. It should be able to stay on the field, avoid most things that can kill it, and kill most things it can't. You know, exactly like it's always done.

-Liang

I think that was his point.

I think you mean Stabber 140 dps @ 24km.

I find it funny how you write an entire post with fake stats.

I do believe the Stabber fit in question is:
Stabber
4x 425s (Barrage), 2x LML (CN Inferno)
10mn MWD, Disruptor II, 2x LSE II
2x Gyro, 2x TE
ACR, 2x CDFE

-Liang

Slightly lower cap life too. Depends on if you wanna spend the 10m or not, I guess.