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Market bug?

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Riapsed Alvilla
Jaded.
#1 - 2013-01-25 03:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Riapsed Alvilla
I was buying stuff on the market today and viewing the transactions in my wallet to see who's selling what. When I noticed it was always buying from same person no matter if I clicked that 9,000 isk order or the 9,829 isk order . It would always take from the top person.

So if the person at the top of my market list was selling something for 9,000 isk and he had a quantity of 1000 and the person 4 rows under him was selling the same thing for 9842 isk with a quantity of 3000 and lets say I chose to buy 100 units from the person 4 rows under. It would charge me the 9,842 isk and reduce the quantity of the first order to 900 instead of the 4th order going to 2900. Is this a bug or am I just misunderstanding something?

I also put up my own order of 1 unit from myself but instead of buying my 1 unit it would charge me my price that I put and reduce the quantity from the person at the top of the list. Leaving my 1 unit there.
SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-25 03:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: SinTeryx
Why would you want to buy something for more expensive than you could get it for? I get you're question but are you sure it was charging you 9.8k isk? Screen shots may help.

EDIT: Maybe someone bought 100 of that item at the cheaper price?

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Ji Scama
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-25 03:46:42 UTC
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
I was buying stuff on the market today and viewing the transactions in my wallet to see who's selling what. When I noticed it was always buying from same person no matter if I clicked that 9,000 isk order or the 9,829 isk order . It would always take from the top person.

So if the person at the top of my market list was selling something for 9,000 isk and he had a quantity of 1000 and the person 4 rows under him was selling the same thing for 9842 isk with a quantity of 3000 and lets say I chose to buy 100 units from the person 4 rows under. It would charge me the 9,842 isk and reduce the quantity of the first order to 900 instead of the 4th order going to 2900. Is this a bug or am I just misunderstanding something?

I also put up my own order of 1 unit from myself but instead of buying my 1 unit it would charge me my price that I put and reduce the quantity from the person at the top of the list. Leaving my 1 unit there.

congratulations!!, you've just figured out how the market works.

you can choose the price you want to pay, but the market system chooses who you buy from, and its the person whose order's the best price for you, that's been there the longest.
SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-01-25 03:50:42 UTC
Ji Scama wrote:
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
I was buying stuff on the market today and viewing the transactions in my wallet to see who's selling what. When I noticed it was always buying from same person no matter if I clicked that 9,000 isk order or the 9,829 isk order . It would always take from the top person.

So if the person at the top of my market list was selling something for 9,000 isk and he had a quantity of 1000 and the person 4 rows under him was selling the same thing for 9842 isk with a quantity of 3000 and lets say I chose to buy 100 units from the person 4 rows under. It would charge me the 9,842 isk and reduce the quantity of the first order to 900 instead of the 4th order going to 2900. Is this a bug or am I just misunderstanding something?

I also put up my own order of 1 unit from myself but instead of buying my 1 unit it would charge me my price that I put and reduce the quantity from the person at the top of the list. Leaving my 1 unit there.

congratulations!!, you've just figured out how the market works.

you can choose the price you want to pay, but the market system chooses who you buy from, and its the person whose order's the best price for you, that's been there the longest.


Guess this is the case...still blows my mind why you would buy something for more expensive than you could get it for >>

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Riapsed Alvilla
Jaded.
#5 - 2013-01-25 04:06:29 UTC
Are you sure it's been that way for the longest? Anyone else can confirm this? I'm buying stuff for the more expensive price because that guy had more units and I didn't wanna bother having to buy two separate orders.
Ji Scama
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-25 04:08:38 UTC
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
Are you sure it's been that way for the longest? Anyone else can confirm this? I'm buying stuff for the more expensive price because that guy had more units and I didn't wanna bother having to buy two separate orders.

well like 10 yrs or so at least....
Riapsed Alvilla
Jaded.
#7 - 2013-01-25 04:10:44 UTC
Lol ok ,well that sucks. I was hoping to buy stuff from different people so I could see who's selling what on the market and hopefully make deals with them. Guess that doesn't work. Thanks for answering.
Lady Godwynn
Lady Godwynn Corporation
#8 - 2013-01-25 10:21:53 UTC
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
Lol ok ,well that sucks. I was hoping to buy stuff from different people so I could see who's selling what on the market and hopefully make deals with them. Guess that doesn't work. Thanks for answering.


Just buy them out one at a time.
Bob Killan
Dzark Asylum
#9 - 2013-01-25 10:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Killan
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
Lol ok ,well that sucks. I was hoping to buy stuff from different people so I could see who's selling what on the market and hopefully make deals with them. Guess that doesn't work. Thanks for answering.


Best way to do that is buy orders, especially if you need it regularly in bulk. Place a large buy order in a market hub and try to stay at teh top for long periods of time, you will see all the people who sell to your buy order, these are the people you want to deal with.

Most sell orders are placed by resellers, they buy low and sell high so are less likely to make a deal as they will get less than what the could. However those selling to buy orders are usually lazy and want there money now and dont care too much about unit price, therefore they will be much more willing to accpt a lower price if you offer an incentive, ie ask them to contract them in their home system, saving them the hassle of moving them to a hub. You can then haul or contract a hauler to collect for you.

If you're in the market for a while you will get to know all the major market suppliers this way.
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2013-01-25 14:15:23 UTC
Or you join the bulk trading channels, if that's what you're looking for.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#11 - 2013-01-25 16:07:02 UTC
Sometimes, I will put up 10-30 different sell orders for a single type of item at different prices, its rare but there's always a good reason, no matter what it be, always a reason.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-25 17:39:24 UTC
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
Are you sure it's been that way for the longest? Anyone else can confirm this? I'm buying stuff for the more expensive price because that guy had more units and I didn't wanna bother having to buy two separate orders.


If you place a non-immediate buy order, you will do just that. You will create a buy order that will attempt to purchase everything at the value you set. If you set the value at 10k and someone has a price of 9k, you will pay 10k to that person.

Also, because you're using a non-immediate order, you get to pay broker's fee on top of everything.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#13 - 2013-01-25 17:52:57 UTC
Gawd, it's getting to be a weekly thing here...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Willmahh
#14 - 2013-01-25 18:30:37 UTC
i love it when they ask if it has always been that way, lol

Yes it has ALWAYS been that way:

You always buy from the lowest seller, Period.

You always sell to the highest bidder, Period.
12evan
Stick Fighter Union
Shadow Ultimatum
#15 - 2013-02-22 03:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: 12evan
I have encountered a weird market bug.

I was buying a certain item, noticed i could not buy out the stock.

I was attempting to buy out. re-list. It went fine at first, then i hit a certain persons orders.

When i attempted to buy this persons stock, his quantity never reduced.


It only happened on this specific item, and with that specific person. (Well, I could not test the same person on another item due to not knowing his orders)

Their stock was non depleting. I was messing around with it thinking it must be lag or something.

I tested it on another character, same thing. His stack of 254 units would stay at 254 units, even after i bought those 254 units more than once to double check.

First time I have experienced this bug.


I am fully aware you buy / sell from the top order. This has to do with stock not going down upon buying.

And yes i have it sorted according to price. I have bought out stock many times before. And this is not working as intended.

Assuming it is a server side issue, that may be rectified. I have filed a petition with the necessary information. Item / characters name etc.

Will see what response I get.
Thoraemond
Far Ranger
#16 - 2013-02-22 04:24:04 UTC
12evan wrote:
I was attempting to buy out. re-list. It went fine at first, then i hit a certain persons orders. When i attempted to buy this persons stock, his quantity never reduced.

This pattern can result when there is an expired Sell order with a lower price than the order you are selecting.

If that's happening here, the order that you are actually buying from is no longer displayed on the market (because it has expired), but—in some cases? not sure if it always happens—is not cleared off the broker's list until the next downtime. (For example, it may be that there is an "expired orders" garbage collector that does not sweep the market when the broker server's CPU is above a certain load.)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#17 - 2013-02-22 16:40:44 UTC
Riapsed Alvilla wrote:
Are you sure it's been that way for the longest? Anyone else can confirm this? I'm buying stuff for the more expensive price because that guy had more units and I didn't wanna bother having to buy two separate orders.

The "not wanting to do transactions" is one reason its like this. Say there are two orders: 1000 units at 9000, and 3000 units at 9100. You can buy 3500 units at 9100 and your order will fill. 1000 units from the cheaper one and 2500 from the more expensive one. You just spent more money than the minimum possible, but in return got the convenience of having to do just one transaction.

As another example, say you want a large amount of something, and it would take the 10 lowest orders to fill your needs. But they are all 0.01 isk apart. You just spend a bit more, buy at a price that covers all the needed orders and sweep up all 10 in one go.

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