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NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#161 - 2013-01-25 03:18:19 UTC

Andski wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

You exaggerate about the effect that removing PLEX would have. It will not be like a wonderland. It will still be Eve, except there will be a few more kids that get involved.

Well damn son we might as well add mounts, /salutes and dances so we can get all of the kids playing EVE Online because CCP CLEARLY INTENDED EVE ONLINE TO BE A CHILDREN'S GAME RIGHT?

Ok you are now prohibited from docking at any noncorp station.
Navies now will kill any ship caught
Any items left in NPC stations or lost to a captued station is gone forever.
At anytime a director may take whatever they please from your wallet or hangars.
There will be no usage of help sites.
Oh and you will have to submit a birth certificate copy proving you are over 20 to play.
There no more child's play for you.

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Corey Fumimasa CFM Salvage Likes received: 1,047	#162 - 2013-01-25 03:18:58 UTC Mallak Azaria wrote: Corey Fumimasa wrote: If CCP enbedded ID codes on all PLEX and spent some time baiting such scammers then Eve would be a better place with more new subscribers. They would have to pay people to do this, making it a colossal waste of money. You are right. PLEX should just not be an in game item.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#163 - 2013-01-25 03:20:47 UTC

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

You keep trying to make this about me wanting CCP to hold my hand and I don't know why. Is it because you had it tough and made it through a tough initiation that you think its now your turn to initiate someone, your turn to sit back and laugh while someone gets hammered like you perhaps did?

Most organizations are doing away with hazing for just this reason.

your argument is still "we need more kids playing eve online, an MMO for children"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#164 - 2013-01-25 03:22:29 UTC

NEONOVUS wrote:

"you can dock in any NPC station in EVE, this is clearly indicative that it is a game intended for 11 year olds"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#165 - 2013-01-25 03:24:14 UTC

Andski wrote:

NEONOVUS wrote:

"you can dock in any NPC station in EVE, this is clearly indicative that it is a game intended for 11 year olds"

Thank you for agreeing to the rest of the rules.

Mallak Azaria

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#166 - 2013-01-25 03:24:57 UTC

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

If CCP enbedded ID codes on all PLEX and spent some time baiting such scammers then Eve would be a better place with more new subscribers.

They would have to pay people to do this, making it a colossal waste of money.

You are right. PLEX should just not be an in game item.

Why not? PLEX gives people who don't want to pay real money the opportunity to pay with ingame money instead. they are also used to buy fanfest tickets & as a way to donate money to [insert major natural disaster here]. Can you come up with a good reason why they shouldn't be an ingame item?

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Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#167 - 2013-01-25 03:26:42 UTC \| Edited by: Andski 3 Mallak Azaria wrote: Can you come up with a good reason why they shouldn't be an ingame item? because 12 year olds with their single mom's american express blue card will get scammed, apparently Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Mallak Azaria

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#168 - 2013-01-25 03:28:10 UTC

Andski wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Can you come up with a good reason why they shouldn't be an ingame item?

because 12 year olds with their single mom's american express blue card will get scammed, apparently

Birthday money scam stories really are the best.

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#169 - 2013-01-25 03:35:31 UTC

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Andski wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Can you come up with a good reason why they shouldn't be an ingame item?

because 12 year olds with their single mom's american express blue card will get scammed, apparently

Birthday money scam stories really are the best.

Not from a public relations standpoint.
The younger crowd is less likely to go and play a game that already requires patience, if they find out what money they have is gone like that.
Again how does PLEX scamming driving off people benefit CCP?

Here is a statistic set I would like to see.
Player trades PLEX through nonmarket means, does player remain after 31 days?

Corey Fumimasa

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#170 - 2013-01-25 03:36:29 UTC

Andski wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

your argument is still "we need more kids playing eve online, an MMO for children"

My argument is that if PLEX were not an in game item then PLEX scams would not happen.

My argument is that PLEX scams do not make Eve a cooler, darker, knifier place. There are plenty of scams that do, they are a lot more difficult to pull off. They require real skill and time to put together. But that is not the scammers game, even if it is the game that most of us here play. I do not understand why players who have worked so hard to get good at this game support those who only want to attack the weakest of us.

If new players get to buy ships with PLEX then older players get to sell them the ships and then blow them up. That is so much more interesting than "psst hey kid, come eer, I gots a deal for youz." cliclcikclcikclcilc;cko BAM o/.........."oh ****, moms gonna be so mad."

I know that you don't see the difference, I'm not going to change your mind. But by all means keep posting here.


Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#171 - 2013-01-25 03:40:50 UTC \| Edited by: Andski why are you so interested in children playing eve online, as if 12 year olds with no disposable income are CCP's ideal audience Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Corey Fumimasa

CFM Salvage

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#172 - 2013-01-25 03:45:39 UTC

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

If CCP enbedded ID codes on all PLEX and spent some time baiting such scammers then Eve would be a better place with more new subscribers.

They would have to pay people to do this, making it a colossal waste of money.

You are right. PLEX should just not be an in game item.

The ability to buy game time with in game currency must be preserved. That is one of the most brilliant ideas in the MMO world. Whatever the "solution" is to PLEX scams players who make enough in game currency must be able to use that currency to buy game time.

The thing is that hinges on other players wanting to buy in game currency with real money. The fewer players who are willing to use real money to buy ISK the more expensive it will be to purchase timecode with ISK.

What happened today makes PLEXing an account more expensive. And the more it happens the more ISK you will have to spend on timecode.

Conversly if people really enjoy buying ISK with real money then they will buy more, and the cost gametime in ISK will go down.


Corey Fumimasa CFM Salvage Likes received: 1,047	#173 - 2013-01-25 03:46:55 UTC Put another way: If PLEX cant be stolen then people will buy more PLEX. With more PLEX on the market the price of PLEX will go down.


Corey Fumimasa CFM Salvage Likes received: 1,047	#174 - 2013-01-25 03:48:14 UTC Andski wrote: I think your just trolling. Thats OK I'm just happy to see this thread get more hits.

Mallak Azaria

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#175 - 2013-01-25 03:50:46 UTC

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Put another way: If PLEX cant be stolen then people will buy more PLEX. With more PLEX on the market the price of PLEX will go down.

Supply & demand isn't the only thing that affects PLEX prices. All I'm getting from your posts is "PLEX shouldn't be an ingame item because people are stupid. Protect the stupid".

Cutter Isaacson

DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO

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#176 - 2013-01-25 03:51:35 UTC

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

Put another way: If PLEX cant be stolen then people will buy more PLEX. With more PLEX on the market the price of PLEX will go down.

PLEX become worthless, people no longer buy them with RL cash as making more ISK in game is easier and quicker.

Well done, you killed the PLEX market entirely, cut the user base by a third but its ok, because now 12 year olds will play.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

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Vernn Miller Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 37	#177 - 2013-01-25 03:59:02 UTC Has a picture of the mom of person that has been scammed been released yet? [i]How many Caldari does it take to screw in a light bulb? - None. Caldari do not screw, they are grown in factories.[/i]

Galaxy Pig

New Order Logistics

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#178 - 2013-01-25 04:41:21 UTC | Edited by: Galaxy Pig

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Andski wrote:

Mistah Ewedynao wrote:

Make all the conditions you like but scamming noobs, ganking noobs, sucking noobs into BS gank the noob corps etc, are all total Bullcrap and anyone caught doing such should be permabanned.

The game will be much better off without them. AND the whole scamming plex thing has gotten out of control IMO. Sure, those of us who have been around don't pay attention to them so why are they there? The only person who will fall for one is a noob, otherwise they just contribute to the local spam overload in trade hubs.

They can't prohibit scamming newbies without prohibiting scamming in its entirety, since making special cases for new players adds excessive GM workload when everyone who gets scammed regardless of how long they have been playing tries to get their stuff back under a vague provision.

Scamming is allowed in this game and it hasn't hindered its growth.

"They can't prohibit suicide ganking newbies without prohibiting suicide ganking in its entirity, since making special cases for new players adds excessive GM workload when everyone who gets suicide ganked regardless of how long they have been playing tries to get their stuff back under a vague provision."

And yet they ban for suicide ganking newbs. There's no reason they can't make a provision for scamming as well.

Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies.

That last bit is a lie.

They punish the specific and deliberate, not-for-profit targeting of noobs at their discretion.

After they leave their little starter-system they are subject to the same cruel Galaxy as the rest of us, including its opportunists. If I caught this guy mining in New Order territory without a permit in his Navitas or whatever, I am allowed to suicide gank him. It is not against the rules. I have done it before, I will do it again, file your petitions, tell 'em Pig sent ya. Here I stand, never been so much as warned about anything. Same as if I met this "kid" in Jita and he seemed eager to hand over a PLEX. It's not because he's a noob, it's because he was an easy/lucrative target.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Mallak Azaria

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#179 - 2013-01-25 05:20:31 UTC

Galaxy Pig wrote:

After they leave their little starter-station they are subject to the same cruel Galaxy as the rest of us

Starter systems. You can't suicide gank or bait newbies in these systems at all but they're fair game once they leave.

Galaxy Pig

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#180 - 2013-01-25 05:21:39 UTC | Edited by: Galaxy Pig

Thank you sir, I fixed it ;) Yes, of course the starter systems not just the station, and Arnola (Sisters of EVE arc system) if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, CCP, if anyone is listening, I'm happy with the current PLEX system and scammability of noobs. ;) Good work.

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