EVE General Discussion

Make all the conditions you like but scamming noobs, ganking noobs, sucking noobs into BS gank the noob corps etc, are all total Bullcrap and anyone caught doing such should be permabanned.

The game will be much better off without them. AND the whole scamming plex thing has gotten out of control IMO. Sure, those of us who have been around don't pay attention to them so why are they there? The only person who will fall for one is a noob, otherwise they just contribute to the local spam overload in trade hubs.

They can't prohibit scamming newbies without prohibiting scamming in its entirety, since making special cases for new players adds excessive GM workload when everyone who gets scammed regardless of how long they have been playing tries to get their stuff back under a vague provision.

Scamming is allowed in this game and it hasn't hindered its growth.

Would have thought learning how many zeros make up a number is a thing you learn in year one of school.

Kids shouldn't be allowed in spaceships on their own. Were his parents insane?

If it came to that point I doubt the kid would care if they were perma banned.

"They can't prohibit suicide ganking newbies without prohibiting suicide ganking in its entirity, since making special cases for new players adds excessive GM workload when everyone who gets suicide ganked regardless of how long they have been playing tries to get their stuff back under a vague provision."

And yet they ban for suicide ganking newbs. There's no reason they can't make a provision for scamming as well.

I assure you that people many years into this game still do incredibly stupid things.

But this opinion you have about scamming, ganking, and so on, does it apply to only noobs? Are more experienced players fair game, in your opinion? If so, how would you define a noob? Keep in mind that this definition has to avoid being gamed in order to confer protection to more veteran players.

If, for instance, all accounts under a certain age or SP couldn't be scammed, I would use alts that fit that description to do all my business. In fact, I would probably use those alts to scam other people in a way that could be played off as ignorance.

They don't prohibit suicide ganking noobs. They prohibit suicide ganking noobs in the newbie starter systems.

Its easy to define a noob. A kid who wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him and who doesn't know how to contract it. That is by definition a noob, and someone that needs a bit of direction.

The trick here is not to try and enforce or investigate the matter after the fact, you are correct that is futile. Rather scamming noobs should be against policy, and DM's should go out acting like noobs and then ban the scammers that go after them.

Once the scammers are not sure if they are talking to a kid or a DM they will be less brazen. I guess they will just use alts. Is there a way to know if alt accounts are from the same comp? or a way to track the PLEX once the scammer has it?

With the number if Internet lawyers these days, I'm surprised someone hasn't tried it.

And while CCP may claim what they want, a lawyer can twist that into a pretzel pretty quickly. Would be entertaining to watch though.

"Lawyer: My client was robbed at gunpoint by these hooligans Judge, something needs to be done!"
"Judge: I see no arrest record here, where did this take place?"
"Lawyer: Well, it happened in a virtual world called EVE Sir. The accosted him while he was leaving a jumpgate and demanded payment, or they would kill him."
"Judge: Kill him? As in actually kill him?"
"Lawyer: Well, kill his virtual self sir.."
"Judge: So what your saying is, no real threat was made, this happened in a virtual universe?"
"Lawyer: Well sir, my client considers EVE to be his real world, and has invested extensive time and money in his virtual character and equipment."
"Judge: I'm sorry, the case before me has no basis outside of the virtual world that you discribed."
"Lawyer: Can we change the charges to public humiliation, defamation, and mental cruelty?"
"Judge: Baliff!!!!!"