EVE General Discussion

Some kid was just on help saying that he tried to sell a PLEX and another player convod him and got the kid to just do an in station swap for zero ISK. Is that frowned upon? And does CCP do anything to discourage it?

Just curious, I felt kind of bad about the story. The kid was like "my mom bought it for my birthday =-(

It was awful!

***Day 2 edit: Thread is split pretty evenly, a few more posts for leave PLEX alone, but more likes for "Make PLEX safer"

Lots of explaining of fundamental economic principles. Many players fight against the well documented fact that making financial transactions safer will also lower prices for the products in question.

*** Day 3 edit:

It looks like a lot of the people arguing against a change in the PLEX program are holding PLEX. Their arguments are not about what would be best for the game, rather they are concerned that a change in the way PLEX are handled would lower the price of PLEX. Causing massive losses for anyone holding PLEX as a hedge against inflation.

***Day 5 update: I think we have closed on a solution that everyone can live with:

Leave PLEX in game as long as completely new players don’t see it as the first option with which to buy in game currency. A safe replacement for PLEX could be developed and advertised in its stead. PLEX would be an in game item of better value than the out of game option. But only players with a bit of experience will know about it.

***Day 5.1 edit: I'm going to go cook some bacon, and make pancakes. And make pot of dark roast coffee.

AFAIK, the only think you are explicitly forbidden from scamming with are character trades. Some helpful GM may come along and correct me, but if the kid feels like it violated the rules, they should file a petition.

Whoever did that should be banned. Of course, CCP could also help us out by concretely defining what a "new player" is, too.

Its part of the game, as long as he didn't use the recruitment channel or the help channel directly then whoever scammed him did nothing wrong.

Against the rules and Wrong are 2 different things. It was wrong. Scamming a few million isk is one thing, but that was 20$, and now the kid feels like **** about the game. No reason for that.

I'm sorry but no matter how new you are you shouldn't be dumb enough to give a PLEX to someone else via station trade

"New" is not a synonym for "stupid"

That is my gut reaction also, but then I thought about it for a moment.

Scamming someone out of $20 should be bannable, however once purchased that PLEX became an item just like any other and therefore subject to risks just like anything else in game.

Secondly, if "his mom gave it to him" it was to give him a month of game time... so why was he trying to sell it to begin with. If I was his mom I'd be a little pissed off about that. That fact negates some of my sympathy.

No, the only issue is "is scamming allowed in the help channel, and did this event happen in the help channel or a convo?".

Gotta disagree with you here. Remember this is the same age group that is paying all those f2p pay to win games on Facebook and PSN and the like. Parents give their kids in game money for stuff all the time (I've bought my kids cards for their games for their birthdays before).

The problem is, in Eve, your stuff can be taken away from you pretty easily, whereas in those other games, it generally is yours once you get it.




Fundamentally, I agree with you.

However, the headache for CCP will be when mom calls her credit card company and says "That's an invalid charge because my son didn't get the thing I bought." TBH, I was surprised when CCP started allowing you to undock with PLEX - it's got to be mkore of a hassle for them than they first anticipated.

i'm pretty sure chargebacks get you permabanned

I doubt mom will care if her son's account gets banned as long as her credit card balances.,