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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-01-24 15:48:02 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Bounties are exciting and since EVE Online: Retribution they seem to be more popular than ever.

In her latest devblog CCP Punkturis from Team Super Friends would like to inform you about the amount of bounties available and claimed in EVE Online.

Enjoy reading the dev blog here and don't miss the pink!



More popular than ever, when every idiots just put bounties on other head without reason ?
This is a ridiculous bounty system, that's why increased bounty numbers, and not other reason.
Knalldari Testpilot
#122 - 2013-01-24 16:06:57 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel....

My main char (constantly playing/paying for 5 years) got the first 10m bounty for declining a convo from a unknown char (because i was afk and it timed out) because he thought i ignored him an wants other players to kill me everytime i undock.

The other 115M bounty were set because i told others in help channel how concerned i am about this stupid harassment/griefing mechanic (no negative standing requirement for placing bounty) and for trolling me.

So -2 account subscriptions until the bounty system gets a rework and the bounty on my main char disappears (account inactivity >5 months).
Kais Fiddler
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-01-24 16:20:48 UTC
Whereas getting bounties for helping in the newbie chat channel is making me want to actually log in and help newbies - please put bounties on me! I live in 0.0, it's not like I'm not going to get shot anyway.
sarkenna
RIVVEN Inc
#124 - 2013-01-24 16:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: sarkenna
To be honest, i find the given analysis highly flawed.

Paraphrased parts:

"Unsurprisingly most bounties are claimed in Null and Low Sec"
"We are quite happy with our feature"

What needs to be understood in my hunble opinion is, that most bounties are probably claimed by ACCIDENT.
People with high bounties are often active pvpers in Low And Null Sec. So of course some day, some random fight they die, of course bounties get claimed.

HOWEVER this cannot by all means be the intended way the bounty feature works. Bounties are given out in real life to make people chase other people down ON PURPOSE. Yet the given feature in Eve provides absolutely NO support for such kind of mechanic, nor for a dedicated bounty hunter lifestyle. If i set out a bounty i want someone to be hunted and punished. Not chill and die randomly when he would have anyway.

That is why the bounty feature above all features needs to be reworked and seems to be quite frankly rather a failure in my eyes.
Unless you can provide compelling evidence, that my perception, described above isn't true.

kind regards
A long term eve player
Knalldari Testpilot
#125 - 2013-01-24 16:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Knalldari Testpilot
CCP Punkturis wrote:
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty!Big smile

you are so much of fail, punkturis!

*double facepalm*

1. many people left help channel because of bounty placed on them for answering questions to support new players
2. some of them already left eve, cancelled their subscriptions
3. i also know someone who got his money paid back from CCP because of bounty system

many people opened a harassment petition because of bounty from other players for trolling, including myself.
some players left eve and many will follow because of bounty system as a tool of trolling!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#126 - 2013-01-24 17:59:01 UTC
Knalldari Testpilot wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty!Big smile

you are so much of fail, punkturis!

*double facepalm*

1. many people left help channel because of bounty placed on them for answering questions to support new players
2. some of them already left eve, cancelled their subscriptions
3. i also know someone who got his money paid back from CCP because of bounty system

many people opened a harassment petition because of bounty from other players for trolling, including myself.
some players left eve and many will follow because of bounty system as a tool of trolling!


You know, if someone's full of fail here.... it's you. Or them, for QQing about getting a bounty. Having a bounty or being -10.0 is a point of honor! That everyone doesn't aspire to such Lofty heights is simply a failing of their character.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-01-24 21:45:06 UTC
Unrelated, but I have a funny misconception I had one week in.

When I started about a month ago, I thought that if someone put a bounty on you, you could be shot anywhere.

I saw some folks up in Amarr with some bouties that were a decent chunk of change and was thinking about firing up the lazorz on my fresh Tormentor from the tutorial and blasting someone with a shuttle. But, I was scared shuttles would have T2 guns!

I was wrong about the T2 guns on shuttles AND catching a bounty in hi-sec.

Life is fun learning as a newb.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#128 - 2013-01-24 21:45:27 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Roki Romani wrote:
Hrmm....

So now how about a couple of new star-map settings to go with these stats? :D

  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours


Would be awesome to see real-time heat maps of where all the juiciest bounties are concentrated!


That would be an awesome one for the CREST team to show off their wares.


I have to admit, this would be an outstanding idea... and would help the bounty hunter profession immensely.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#129 - 2013-01-24 21:47:48 UTC
Kokkari Makk wrote:
Maelystra wrote:
I really don't care if you believe me or not.
I also don't care that you won't believe me when I tell you I've seen at least a dozen people who were less than an hour into the game, quit because people kept blowing them up because some jerk placed bounties on every new pod pilot that came out of the Couster station on that night.
THAT doesn't seem to be to great a way to draw in new subs...

Hold on... I have absolutely no idea what you try to say here, but you do not get the right to shoot someone just because they have a bounty. And suicide gank 1hr old characthers in itself is also not allowed.

The rest of us know that, but apparently Maelystral believes it to be true and is using it to try and convince us that his blatant lie is actually the truth about a grave situation. Big smile

Maelystral, you should probably at least understand the mechanic you are discussing before you start making stuff up to try and support your stance.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#130 - 2013-01-24 21:51:06 UTC
Knalldari Testpilot wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I was being serious.. we don't know that someone had bounty placed on him because he was in the help channel....

My main char (constantly playing/paying for 5 years) got the first 10m bounty for declining a convo from a unknown char (because i was afk and it timed out) because he thought i ignored him an wants other players to kill me everytime i undock.

The other 115M bounty were set because i told others in help channel how concerned i am about this stupid harassment/griefing mechanic (no negative standing requirement for placing bounty) and for trolling me.

So -2 account subscriptions until the bounty system gets a rework and the bounty on my main char disappears (account inactivity >5 months).

So you annoyed god knows how many people with your whining and can't understand why you got a bounty. Smile

If you don't leave high sec (which I strongly suspect) why are you even worried about it? You aren't really any more of a target than you already were. A 25mil ISK bounty is literally nothing.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#131 - 2013-01-24 21:56:23 UTC
sarkenna wrote:
To be honest, i find the given analysis highly flawed.

Paraphrased parts:

"Unsurprisingly most bounties are claimed in Null and Low Sec"
"We are quite happy with our feature"

What needs to be understood in my hunble opinion is, that most bounties are probably claimed by ACCIDENT.
People with high bounties are often active pvpers in Low And Null Sec. So of course some day, some random fight they die, of course bounties get claimed.

HOWEVER this cannot by all means be the intended way the bounty feature works. Bounties are given out in real life to make people chase other people down ON PURPOSE. Yet the given feature in Eve provides absolutely NO support for such kind of mechanic, nor for a dedicated bounty hunter lifestyle. If i set out a bounty i want someone to be hunted and punished. Not chill and die randomly when he would have anyway.

That is why the bounty feature above all features needs to be reworked and seems to be quite frankly rather a failure in my eyes.
Unless you can provide compelling evidence, that my perception, described above isn't true.

kind regards
A long term eve player


A bounty is a reward for killing someone, pure and simple. It doesn't care what the motivation is behind the killing, nor should it. Other mechanics could be brought in to make bounties more selective on who it will pay out to, and that is being considered. But you still have to understand that especially in the case of corp or alliance bounties they will simply be used as added incentive to a feuding parties combat pilots as an extra incentive even though most of the combat would happen anyway... and this is FINE.

The map tool proposed in this thread would certainly help those wanting to hunt bounties as a profession, but you will never be able to use bounties as a tool to determine why someone killed another player... nor should it EVER.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#132 - 2013-01-24 22:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Knalldari Testpilot wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
yeah this is why we checked it out for both all characters and also characters that have logged in within the last 7 days, so we could see if EVERYBODY who logs in had bounties on them

people should totally step up their game in placing bounties and get everyone a bounty!Big smile

you are so much of fail, punkturis!

*double facepalm*

1. many people left help channel because of bounty placed on them for answering questions to support new players
2. some of them already left eve, cancelled their subscriptions
3. i also know someone who got his money paid back from CCP because of bounty system

many people opened a harassment petition because of bounty from other players for trolling, including myself.
some players left eve and many will follow because of bounty system as a tool of trolling!


1: Not seeing it, and I stop into the help channel often. Nor have I ever gotten a bounty in there.

2: How would you know? Big smile Your nose is growing sir.

3: Sure you do. Big smileBig smileBig smile

Placing a bounty is not harrassment in any way, shape or form... and people that clog the petition system with this nonsense should receive first a warning and then possibly a ban.

Stop making up facts to support your case when you have absolutely no way of actually knowing if or how many people quit over this nonsense.

There, I think I'm all caught up now. Carry on. Blink

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#133 - 2013-01-24 22:20:56 UTC
TL:DR. Facts are posted and the whiners can't handle the truth and continue to lie.

Bounty change, the best change.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#134 - 2013-01-24 23:12:23 UTC
For the record, the graphs are awesome.

All hail Pinkturis!
Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#135 - 2013-01-24 23:41:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
how can 996,337 bounties be claimed when only 183,187 bounties are placed?


http://clip2net.com/s/2KGjH

?

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sarkenna
RIVVEN Inc
#136 - 2013-01-24 23:42:10 UTC  |  Edited by: sarkenna
Ranger 1 wrote:

A bounty is a reward for killing someone, pure and simple. It doesn't care what the motivation is behind the killing, nor should it. Other mechanics could be brought in to make bounties more selective on who it will pay out to, and that is being considered. But you still have to understand that especially in the case of corp or alliance bounties they will simply be used as added incentive to a feuding parties combat pilots as an extra incentive even though most of the combat would happen anyway... and this is FINE.

The map tool proposed in this thread would certainly help those wanting to hunt bounties as a profession, but you will never be able to use bounties as a tool to determine why someone killed another player... nor should it EVER.


Have to disagree. Your are employing a mischaracterization of 'bounty'. A 'bounty' is clearly and pretty undeniably used to add an additional incentive to kill or maybe arrest (in reallife killing has become unpopular in legal spheres) the specific person...for exactly the reason OF the bounty to be claimed and to enrichen the killer/ hunter.
So YES a bounty should exactly be used as a tool to determine why someone hunts or kills someone in the game as well.
This is pretty much the common use of 'bounty' and is exactly the reason, a profession like 'bounty hunter' exists and existed in reallife throughout history. Thus the eve bounty system should reflect those mechanics of bounty in the game.

You randomly interpreting bounty in other ways, doesn't make that a compelling argument nor a credible analysis but merely a random claim.

Kind regards
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2013-01-25 08:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Colonel Xaven
Bobo Cindekela wrote:
how can 996,337 bounties be claimed when only 183,187 bounties are placed?


http://clip2net.com/s/2KGjH

?


Because you don't get the full bounty value when popping a ship. So according to those numbers the average is to pop 5.44 ships in order to get the full bounty set on a player.

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Maelystra
Super Mining Bros - 3D
#138 - 2013-01-25 11:36:01 UTC
Kokkari Makk wrote:
Maelystra wrote:
I really don't care if you believe me or not.
I also don't care that you won't believe me when I tell you I've seen at least a dozen people who were less than an hour into the game, quit because people kept blowing them up because some jerk placed bounties on every new pod pilot that came out of the Couster station on that night.
THAT doesn't seem to be to great a way to draw in new subs...

Hold on... I have absolutely no idea what you try to say here, but you do not get the right to shoot someone just because they have a bounty. And suicide gank 1hr old characthers in itself is also not allowed.

Well tell that to the friendly souls who are doing it, not me.
Kokkari Makk
Tensenn Industries
#139 - 2013-01-25 13:35:34 UTC
Maelystra wrote:
Kokkari Makk wrote:
Maelystra wrote:
I really don't care if you believe me or not.
I also don't care that you won't believe me when I tell you I've seen at least a dozen people who were less than an hour into the game, quit because people kept blowing them up because some jerk placed bounties on every new pod pilot that came out of the Couster station on that night.
THAT doesn't seem to be to great a way to draw in new subs...

Hold on... I have absolutely no idea what you try to say here, but you do not get the right to shoot someone just because they have a bounty. And suicide gank 1hr old characthers in itself is also not allowed.

Well tell that to the friendly souls who are doing it, not me.

If your problem is that people are suicide ganking new players, than that is another question completely, and totally unrelated to bounties. Also it is not allowed and reportable. You have to realize this is completely unrelated to the bounty system. Completely.
Fortuna Cournot
Red Phoenix Rising
#140 - 2013-01-25 18:02:25 UTC
You missed to research the derivation of bounty sizes over the eve population.

see https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188507

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