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Dev blog: Team Super Friends does numbers

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#101 - 2013-01-24 07:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
mynnna wrote:

CCP Punkturis wrote:

nope, it's a Super Friends secret Pirate

That's what YOU think. Twisted


I know you're trolling me![/quote]

That's what YOU think. Twisted[/quote]

CCP Punkturis, I wouldn't be surprised to find that mynna & the GSF finacial cabal have very carefully reverse engineered the bounty payouts and know what impact their market manipulation will have on bounties paid out during their coming firefights in nullsec*. They probably know the bounty calculation better than the people who wrote the code at CCP (because those people have moved on to other projects and forgotten how that code works).

Never underestimate the capabilities of bored smart people!

* we'll have some better idea of how well they've modelled it if Goons start ordering weird combinations of ships in "doctrine" fleets in order to maximise the bounties received vs ISK value of ships lost ratio.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-01-24 07:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Mara Rinn wrote:
CCP Punkturis, I wouldn't be surprised to find that mynna & the GSF finacial cabal have very carefully reverse engineered the bounty payouts and know what impact their market manipulation will have on bounties paid out during their coming firefights in nullsec*. They probably know the bounty calculation better than the people who wrote the code at CCP (because those people have moved on to other projects and forgotten how that code works).

Never underestimate the capabilities of bored smart people!

* we'll have some better idea of how well they've modelled it if Goons start ordering weird combinations of ships in "doctrine" fleets in order to maximise the bounties received vs ISK value of ships lost ratio.


Weird combinations of ships, like tempest fleet issues? Twisted

Serious post: The bounty calculation is new though, they'd have had to re-write it for retribution.

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Maelystra
Super Mining Bros - 3D
#103 - 2013-01-24 07:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Maelystra
Panhead4411 wrote:
Now that you've run the numbers, how many ppl have the token 100k-300k bounties from when they answered questions in the Help Channel?

Practically everyone >.<
And in local
And in your choice of npc corp chat
/sigh

Quote:
Some people were worried (or not worried) about EVERYBODY in New Eden ending up with a bounty on them. So we did some research on that.

Characters on active accounts with personal bounties on them
2.9%

Characters on active accounts with any bounty on them
3.4%

Characters that have logged in within the last 7 days with personal bounties on them
11.7%

Characters that have logged in within the last 7 days with any bounty on them
13.3%

Seriously? .. I check local and help chat player profiles constantly any well over half of the current people in each system and in each npc corp chat have WANTED signs on them and bounties on them.
Last week, one night in Couster, I looked at all of them (132) and every bloody one had a bounty on them. Most of them hadn't even been playing a full day...
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-01-24 07:37:10 UTC
oh well in THAT case let me totally believe your personal anecdotes as opposed to numbers pulled directly from the database. i'm sure they're more reliable than an sql query.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#105 - 2013-01-24 07:46:50 UTC
mynnna wrote:
oh well in THAT case let me totally believe your personal anecdotes as opposed to numbers pulled directly from the database. i'm sure they're more reliable than an sql query.


Well, assuming that the NPC corp chat consists of a small proportion of people who ever speak in corp chat, both of them can be quite right :)

Only 11.7% of players have personal bounties. What if less than 10% of the players in NPC corps ever use corp chat? Then you'd easily find that "everyone" in NPC corp chat has a bounty, because NPC corp chat only lists the people who have spoken recently. On any night, my alts will see corp chat has about 200 people subscribed, but only a half dozen or so will actually be talking (and even then, most of the chat will be emitted by two or three people).

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Maelystra
Super Mining Bros - 3D
#106 - 2013-01-24 07:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Maelystra
I really don't care if you believe me or not.
I also don't care that you won't believe me when I tell you I've seen at least a dozen people who were less than an hour into the game, quit because people kept blowing them up because some jerk placed bounties on every new pod pilot that came out of the Couster station on that night.
THAT doesn't seem to be to great a way to draw in new subs...
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-01-24 07:50:55 UTC
I didn't say I didn't believe you. I said that your claim that CCP's numbers are obviously wrong because of your observations on what is certainly a relatively small subset of the game's population is a silly one.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#108 - 2013-01-24 07:54:39 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
why you people hate pink!!!

the pie chart is pink just for fun, if you have a hard time seeing different shades of pink I'll tell you the legends on the right of the pie chart are in order of the amount, the highest amount on top, lowest on bottom (highest then being displayed as the biggest slice of pie P)


No hate for pink as soon as you allow this: scorp http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1202/20120209023127.jpg Lol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Roki Romani
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-01-24 08:25:35 UTC
Hrmm....

So now how about a couple of new star-map settings to go with these stats? :D

  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours


Would be awesome to see real-time heat maps of where all the juiciest bounties are concentrated!
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#110 - 2013-01-24 08:38:11 UTC
Roki Romani wrote:
Hrmm....

So now how about a couple of new star-map settings to go with these stats? :D

  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours


Would be awesome to see real-time heat maps of where all the juiciest bounties are concentrated!


That would be an awesome one for the CREST team to show off their wares.

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Kokkari Makk
Tensenn Industries
#111 - 2013-01-24 08:38:18 UTC
Maelystra wrote:
I really don't care if you believe me or not.
I also don't care that you won't believe me when I tell you I've seen at least a dozen people who were less than an hour into the game, quit because people kept blowing them up because some jerk placed bounties on every new pod pilot that came out of the Couster station on that night.
THAT doesn't seem to be to great a way to draw in new subs...

Hold on... I have absolutely no idea what you try to say here, but you do not get the right to shoot someone just because they have a bounty. And suicide gank 1hr old characthers in itself is also not allowed.
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-01-24 08:49:55 UTC
1,79 Trillion ISK
1 PLEX is ~600m
That makes bounty totals equal to ~3000 PLEX.
1 PLEX is 19.95 EUR.

That means 60,000 EUR bounty value.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Sam Korak
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-01-24 11:42:36 UTC
Quote:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64142/1/Graphs_02.png


My eyes hurt, could you super friends please use few more colours than just pink-ish? I can't make out which is hisec and which is losec on that chart! ;(
Kokkari Makk
Tensenn Industries
#114 - 2013-01-24 11:56:04 UTC
Sam Korak wrote:
Quote:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64142/1/Graphs_02.png


My eyes hurt, could you super friends please use few more colours than just pink-ish? I can't make out which is hisec and which is losec on that chart! ;(

I made it easier for you without ruining the colors! http://imgur.com/wITuug6
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#115 - 2013-01-24 12:37:22 UTC
Bounties.....all we did was put them on each other in my alliance after Retrubution.

Because we could. That is all.

And totally off topic: CCP Punkturis, the new filter on the UI, could you please find whoever is responsible and give them a kiss from me. They are ****ing awesome.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Loco Ramos
Vicious Traditions
#116 - 2013-01-24 12:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Loco Ramos
JUST POSTING TO SUPPORT PINK CHARTS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesomeness is: 'Pink PIE' Charts!!!
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#117 - 2013-01-24 13:18:01 UTC
Imo the bounty payouts are to low to make this something for people to really persue.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Unkind Omen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-01-24 13:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Unkind Omen
Mara Rinn wrote:
Maybe you need to ask yourself why you take bounties so personally. People aren't placing bounties on others because there is hatred or death threats involved: they are placing bounties because they can, and that is the only way of showing you they care. There is no "like" button ingame, but there is F1 or "add bounty".


There is a button "Give ISK" right to the button "Place bounty", so if someone who does really care may just go to the help chat and start to suport those who spend their time helping newbies.

Upd: May be that button should be colored in pink for chars who are not your corp/allymates?
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
#119 - 2013-01-24 14:46:17 UTC
Roki Romani wrote:
Hrmm....

So now how about a couple of new star-map settings to go with these stats? :D

  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Number of active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 30 minutes
  • Total ISK value of bounties on active pilots in space with bounties in last 24 hours


Would be awesome to see real-time heat maps of where all the juiciest bounties are concentrated!

This could be a part of the existing maps, do we want to see pod kills in the last hour or do we want to find the bounties? It would be a tool that would help the bounty hunters that would be easy to implement.

I would also like to see a distribution chart of the count of ISK amount of total bounties in each player. I would suggest some leveling to improve readability. The scale may need to be logarithmic. The resulting curve can be in pink.
Knalldari Testpilot
#120 - 2013-01-24 15:41:07 UTC
mkint wrote:
Everybody has a bounty. The primary purpose of bounties is random trolling.

this! Sad