EVE General Discussion

It's the same old argument.

Dust has the "hook" that it is linked with EVE. But take a big step back, and picture yourself as a console FPS player who never played EVE, nor ever plans to. What possible meaning would this person attach to a Dust<->Eve link? NONE!

If you doubt me, imagine CCP introduced a link between EVE and WoW, where your WoW daily quests affected FW sovereignty, and EVE players can pay WoW players to raid Molten Core. Would it make you play WoW? Chances of that are slim, right? Would it make you care about EVE, if all you've been playing for the last 8 years is WoW? Again, chances are slim to none. So, what does such a link mean for EVE or WoW? Precisely d***! And yet CCP somehow hopes it'll work for EVE and Dust?

The second thing they did wrong was go with PS3. Yes, there were many reasons to do it. And many reasons NOT to do it on PC - namely the game being F2P and rampant cheating/hacking/aimbotting that would inevitably occur in such a game. See Crimecraft, APB, etc., all shooter MMOs where there's probably more aimbotters than straight players. At least your average console bunny lacks the cranial capacity to find and deploy a program like that, unlike the average PC gamer.

Shooter with complex fittings and skills? Where 90% of other shooters have loadouts that can be modified while a 20 second respawn timer is running down? Actual loss on death, even when death is due to lag or other non-player issues? Yeeeah, that'll go over very well with today's FPS gamer community.

Not to mention the shooter portion itself is...well...outdated! Realize that Dust has to compete for FPS-time with titles like Battlefield 3, which by now is well over a year old now. And that game has stunning graphics and animations, head and shoulders better than Dust's, plus destructible environments, plus many more vehicles, very nice cover in terms of vegetation and particle engines, large number of maps and a solid fan player base going back to series originator BF1942 back in 2002. And of course FPS games are being released like crazy. Case in point, Battlefield 4 is expected late this year.

Look, I don't have an axe to grind with Dust. I don't own a PS3, and I never will, so Dust to me a moot point. But I just don't see it succeeding. I mean, the game just went into Open Beta today. Has anyone noticed? I've seen more commotion for open betas of Vindictus and Dragon's Nest than I've seen for Dust.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Because if I'm right, that's another few years of development time and countless man-hours down the tubes, just like Incarna in its currently ongoing state. Just a total waste. My only hope is that if the game does flop, whoever came up with this brilliant idea isn't allowed to make any more design-related decisions.

For Dust to be dying, it first must come to life ! I don't see that happening any time soon.

Yes, I definitely remember the early beta playing just like this build!

I do however need to wiggle the network and power cables a bit to induce the horrible lag and weird crashes that kept us from finishing 3/4 of our matches, and for some reason people today seem to think the swarm launcher is supposed to point away from your feet.

This reminds me of some wise advice to programmers; never show prototypes to non-programmers (managers, customers, etc), cause they'll be expecting you to ship that rotten piece of **** after a bit of polishing.

You, the above poster, are that type of a person.

Yes, because network and game stability have anything to do with core gameplay features. Derp. If you could read, you'd see we're talking about game systems that haven't; really changed much not network performance. Beside that, the hit detection/lag is still not particularly good considering the small battle scale + how bad the game looks, but that kind of thing is expected in a beta, and not what people are talking about.

I just got wtfpwnd by getting my car dropped on my head. It made it all worth it. It could be that i was smash drunk after the pub. :P

CCP.

This NEEDS to be available on PC. Thanks

Seriously

-Buhhd

Wow. I have to say that, taken purely as just another MMOFPS, Dust sounds freaking awful. I can't see why anyone with a PS3 who wants to just sit down and play a shooter game would ever choose this over COD / BF3 / whatever other dozen titles they have to choose from. Just from the screenshots and the talk about the market and gearing up, it sounds like they went over the deep end making it way too complex for a console game. I also don't see the "lose everything when you die" bit working out in the long term in their target market. And the fact that it's borderline unplayable with a controller due to the wonky interface is just inexcusable --- that is major, game-killing, poop-in-pants fail for a new console release.

People who play EVE who also happen to own a PS3 and were just dying to play an MMOFPS version of EVE on their other gaming box will love this game. That seems like a vanishingly small core demographic. Everyone else, and especially those who have never played EVE and have no desire to, will despise it.

And that's why it's going to PC even if CCP doesn't know it yet, so no worries there.

I'm completely new to the MMOFPS genre. Defiance initially whetted my apatite for the genre.

I actually saw the genre implemented in Planetside 2 which didn't impress me all that much. Granted I never found a solid group of players to take me under their wing and learn.

I'm hoping Defiance isn't just a variant of Planetside 2 and it has some PvE elements in it so the player isn't thrown in with the PvP wolves right from the start.

Does DUST seem to be a variant of Planetside 2?

I would have to say "not really" to that. If anything, I'd say it's a mix of a low-fat Battlefield and MAG. The latter was awfully ambitious too, and did a lot of interesting things especially in the player coordination department (an achievment, since there was a 256-player conquest mode). I don't want to make a direct comparison to Planetside 2 as it's kind of an apples and oranges situation; the overarching goals of both are quite different.



I'm sure the details of the any deals like that between Sony and CCP aren't going to come out anytime soon, if there were such a thing. It definitely wouldn't be unheard of on the platform, as you said Sony has a confirmed history of this and don't always open the door to their infrastructure to just anyone. If I were a gambling man, well, I imagine you'd know which side of the argument I'd put money down on :)

When local chats were announced to be connected between games I knew right away there would be positives and minuses to that. Regardless of how rigid the rules are for that sort of thing in EVE, this will get unbelievably worse when the game gets a full release. Lets face it, it's a free sci-fi shooter that's rated T for teen. As long as the kids have a PS3, expect them to try this out and dirty up our local the first chance they get. All I can say is thank god DUST has a single option to deactivate voice chat, some matches I felt like I was playing Halo with all the colorful dialogue going on during the battle.