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Why don't make moon resources deplete?

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Kayla Voogo
The Executives
#1 - 2013-01-23 18:23:30 UTC
o/

as an old SWG player I was used to the fact that resource spawns were randomly placed all over all the planets at random locations with random stats. Every few months there was a really great spawn of iron or copper and everyone stockpiled up on it as good as they could.

So how can we do that approach in EVE? Everyone (more or less) is complaining about the super-blocks in null and that there is no reason to fight over the areas again with the horrible sov. mechanics.

Wouldnt it be great if moon minerals would be "kind of" like PI resources? You scan moons (probes have to get more range) and you see the current minerals available. A moon with a rich tech reservoir would be very desirable and people will fight over the right to mine it. Then you claim your reward as the winning faction and harvest for some weeks / months until the resource is depleeted. So, now you gonna sit there and blue everyone again? No! You will go and find the next good region to claim and harvest for ISK.

Just a rough idea and needs serious thinking on various things but, why not?
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-23 18:26:15 UTC
Oh boy, here we go again.

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#3 - 2013-01-23 18:26:40 UTC
This thread will end well...

wumbo

Jita iswhereIsit
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-23 18:28:26 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
This thread will end well...


Just like SWG....Oh wait
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-23 18:28:42 UTC
want to know how i know you've never actually scanned down moons before?
Kayla Voogo
The Executives
#6 - 2013-01-23 18:29:11 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Oh boy, here we go again.


Pretty constructive... You aren't sick of the nullbearing and camping certain space for zero effort?
Whitehound
#7 - 2013-01-23 18:29:42 UTC
Please use the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.

You'll find it easier to have a discussion there than here in GD.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-01-23 18:30:56 UTC
I may despise certain 0.0-entities with their infinite tech faucet and disgusting cash reserves, but not even I would wish such a fate on them. Plus scanning moons is very very tedious.

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#9 - 2013-01-23 18:31:20 UTC
That will NEVER happen...

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-01-23 18:32:50 UTC
I wrote an article about this very topic!

http://themittani.com/features/case-against-moongoo-depletion

The problem isn't that moons don't deplete, it's the massive chasm that exists between alliances holding a specific regional R32 (guess which one!) and alliances holding literally anything else.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#11 - 2013-01-23 18:33:02 UTC
Moons are individually vast. The population of EVE is relatively tiny. Even the vast appetites of the industrialists can't hope to make more than a small dent in their resources.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-01-23 18:33:03 UTC
1. You've never scanned moons have you?

2. Forcing huge alliances to constantly move around in counterproductive when you want to encourage empire building.

3. Getting the tech jackpot on the moon doesn't mean the little guys get to enjoy it. It means the timer when the hammer will fall on their head has started counting down.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-23 18:35:53 UTC
Better question. Why are we still using an antiquated system for moon goo extraction. Shouldnt it mirror planetary interaction? I mean, we put a man on the moon. We cant colonize the moon(s)?

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-01-23 18:43:41 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
1. You've never scanned moons have you?

2. Forcing huge alliances to constantly move around in counterproductive when you want to encourage empire building.

3. Getting the tech jackpot on the moon doesn't mean the little guys get to enjoy it. It means the timer when the hammer will fall on their head has started counting down.


if the OP wants to pay a /lot/ more for anything T2 well that's on him

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#15 - 2013-01-23 18:44:25 UTC
More importantly, why don't highsec ice resources deplete?

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-23 18:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Montevius Williams wrote:
Better question. Why are we still using an antiquated system for moon goo extraction. Shouldnt it mirror planetary interaction? I mean, we put a man on the moon. We cant colonize the moon(s)?

well there was talk about taking it 'to the next level' by using the most fun resource extraction in the game - mining
unsurprisingly this didn't gain much enthusiasm
surprisingly though, implementing even mining seems beyond the reach of 2013 ccp
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-23 18:52:38 UTC
Here's the problem (aside from what's been covered already). A moon has a fixed value (72,000 units per 30 day month), and a fixed cost to maintain (21600 fuel blocks per month, assuming a large tower with the sov bonus). Right now, valuable moons are worth fighting over because if you take it, you plan to hold it for the indefinite future.

If they depleted? Not so much. First off, moon scanning sucks even more when you're trying to do it in hostile space, and you'd have to do it all over again to see if your neighbors had moons worth taking at all. You're then weighing the cost of invading another area of space to try to take their moons against the cost - reimbursements, fuel, etc - to take them. In that equation, it's pretty hard to say that invading would be "worth it". You'll spend tens or hundreds of billions of isk to take them and by the time you do, they'll be partway through the respawn cycle already. With that in mind, simply sitting in your region of space and taking what you get as things shuffle every few months sounds a lot more attractive. Sure, you'll have your poor periods, but you'll have rich ones as well, and you won't waste more money than they're worth fighting for other player's moons in the process.

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Kayla Voogo
The Executives
#18 - 2013-01-23 18:56:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
1. You've never scanned moons have you?

2. Forcing huge alliances to constantly move around in counterproductive when you want to encourage empire building.

3. Getting the tech jackpot on the moon doesn't mean the little guys get to enjoy it. It means the timer when the hammer will fall on their head has started counting down.


if the OP wants to pay a /lot/ more for anything T2 well that's on him


Well I never scanned, no, but who cares? If they do such a massive overhaul in moon mechanics they could change that aswell.

I don't want prices do explode, of course not, I want meaningful PVP in null and not rainbow partys all day with some people stacking up a fortune for doing almost nothing.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-23 18:57:51 UTC
Do people realize there's a real economy in EVE?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-23 19:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Kayla Voogo wrote:
I don't want prices do explode, of course not, I want meaningful PVP in null and not rainbow partys all day with some people stacking up a fortune for doing almost nothing.

I dunno, thanks to CCP's quick reaction team to the dominion expansion - the current tech holders have enough isk to hold em over until the servers shut down. making moons not worth fighting for (one of the last things worth fighting for) isn't gonna fix that

then again isk didnt save uaxdeath, gnamean?

i think the guy who introduces mittani to shrooms during fanfest is going to be the instigator of the next great war, truly mastering the 'metagame'
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