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Classic 3rd hulk vs orca
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jon zollinger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-22 10:35:08 UTC
I currently have 2 hulks in high sec and I'm wondering if when I open my 3rd hulk if I should boost with my main in an orca full time. For the purpose of this post lets say that you have 0 chance of being ganked, can flipped or even interacting with another player besides your alts. Also to get to the belt you have to warp through 2 acceleration gates as its a mission belt.

Currently I run my 2 hulks until they have 6 cans of ore, I then take one of them and get the orca to haul while the other keeps mining.

In your opinion would you rather have perfect/near perfect orca boosts all the time (except for Brief time to dock and undock) and 2 hulks or 3 hulks with 1 switching to haul now and then. Keep in mind you have to go through 2 acceleration gates to get the 3rd hulk back to the field each time.

Opinions on max yield vs convince?
Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-01-22 11:31:45 UTC
if you're going to put a mindlink in the orca pilot, yes an orca pilot is worth more than a third hulk.
LordSpock
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-22 13:11:31 UTC
Already posted this once on the forum but for the sake of this:

Quote:
Actually the break even point is at 3 miners.

Small calculation, and keep in mind the actual yield numbers (units per second) are not correct, the end conclusion is.

Normal cycletime = 180s
Normal mining amount = 1000 units.

3 miners, in fleet with Commander having mining foreman lvl5 = 10% yield = 1100 mining each 180s. This makes 6 units per second.
2 miners, 1 orca in fleet with mining mindlink boost lvl5 = 15% yield = 1150 mining each 127s (due to orcaboost Industrial command at lvl4 and warfare link specialist lvl4). This makes 9 units per second.

3 miners make 18 units per second
2 miners and one orca make 18 units per second as well. Added benefit = storage and 22km range on mining lasers.

If the Squad commander in the first setup has the 15% mindlink as well the fleet makes 6.3 units per second actually favouring for 3 exhumers, but without the added range and the need to jetcanmine/warp to station each time twice as little (my orca has 50k+40k+89km3 space available). The pilot that normally does the hauling can get in mining ship as well.

TL:DR when you have an orca and 3 barges/exhumers, you will make more ISK/Minerals/Ore, but it might be interesting with only 2 barges/exhumers already.


I guess in your situation it might be interesting enough to have the Orca with you there, together with 2 Hulks.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-01-22 14:52:11 UTC
Why on Earth is the Orca not sitting there and boosting and gathering the ore with the TWO Hulks tright now ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
jon zollinger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-22 16:01:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why on Earth is the Orca not sitting there and boosting and gathering the ore with the TWO Hulks tright now ?


Because I only have 2 accounts right now, every now and then one of the hulks has to stop mining and haul.
jon zollinger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-22 16:07:17 UTC
LordSpock wrote:
Already posted this once on the forum but for the sake of this:

Quote:
Actually the break even point is at 3 miners.

Small calculation, and keep in mind the actual yield numbers (units per second) are not correct, the end conclusion is.

Normal cycletime = 180s
Normal mining amount = 1000 units.

3 miners, in fleet with Commander having mining foreman lvl5 = 10% yield = 1100 mining each 180s. This makes 6 units per second.
2 miners, 1 orca in fleet with mining mindlink boost lvl5 = 15% yield = 1150 mining each 127s (due to orcaboost Industrial command at lvl4 and warfare link specialist lvl4). This makes 9 units per second.

3 miners make 18 units per second
2 miners and one orca make 18 units per second as well. Added benefit = storage and 22km range on mining lasers.

If the Squad commander in the first setup has the 15% mindlink as well the fleet makes 6.3 units per second actually favouring for 3 exhumers, but without the added range and the need to jetcanmine/warp to station each time twice as little (my orca has 50k+40k+89km3 space available). The pilot that normally does the hauling can get in mining ship as well.

TL:DR when you have an orca and 3 barges/exhumers, you will make more ISK/Minerals/Ore, but it might be interesting with only 2 barges/exhumers already.


I guess in your situation it might be interesting enough to have the Orca with you there, together with 2 Hulks.




Thanks, maybe I will try boosting full time eventualy, after I get that damn 1bill implant :P
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-01-22 16:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
jon zollinger wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why on Earth is the Orca not sitting there and boosting and gathering the ore with the TWO Hulks tright now ?


Because I only have 2 accounts right now, every now and then one of the hulks has to stop mining and haul.



Fly only what fits most efficiently with your accounts.

Flying 3 Hulks then stopping and switching to the Orca and all that is a big waste of time and you will be 'over it' within a short while.

2 Hulks and and Orca is a fine optimal setup for anyone. Don't let greed take hold of your fun.

Edit: typo

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Connery Domino
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-22 17:56:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
jon zollinger wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why on Earth is the Orca not sitting there and boosting and gathering the ore with the TWO Hulks tright now ?


Because I only have 2 accounts right now, every now and then one of the hulks has to stop mining and haul.



Fly only what fits most efficiently with your accounts.

Flying 3 Hulks then stopping and switching to the Orca and all that is a big waste of time and you will be 'over it' within a short while.

2 Hulks and and Orca is a fine optimal setup for anyone. Don't let greed take hold of your fun.

Edit: typo


Quoted for truth
jon zollinger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-01-22 19:46:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
jon zollinger wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why on Earth is the Orca not sitting there and boosting and gathering the ore with the TWO Hulks tright now ?


Because I only have 2 accounts right now, every now and then one of the hulks has to stop mining and haul.



Fly only what fits most efficiently with your accounts.

Flying 3 Hulks then stopping and switching to the Orca and all that is a big waste of time and you will be 'over it' within a short while.

2 Hulks and and Orca is a fine optimal setup for anyone. Don't let greed take hold of your fun.

Edit: typo


Like the other guy says... Wonderful truth :)