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ECM Tears vs logic

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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#1 - 2013-01-22 01:47:34 UTC
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#2 - 2013-01-22 02:00:26 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll


IMHO t1 frig's slot layout don't really give you on option to put ECCM on their without extremely crippling your fit. And lesbihonest here, sensor strength implants and skills don't add a lot of sensor strength to frigs. Im not around me eft to confirm. Now that being said, do you run sensor strength implants and have ECCM on your frigs? And would you be upset if you were permajammed the whole fight? I would be.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#3 - 2013-01-22 02:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthia Nezmor
Dread Operative wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll


IMHO t1 frig's slot layout don't really give you on option to put ECCM on their without extremely crippling your fit. And lesbihonest here, sensor strength implants and skills don't add a lot of sensor strength to frigs. Im not around me eft to confirm. Now that being said, do you run sensor strength implants and have ECCM on your frigs? And would you be upset if you were permajammed the whole fight? I would be.


Well, I am a good ECM pilot, it does not happen to me. Also yes, as a militia pilot of course i run Talons and Grails most of the time.

Point is still that THEY wanted to have the fun fight of permajamming our Merlin pilot and ganking her with 3 dps ships.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#4 - 2013-01-22 02:24:31 UTC
Ironically posting in an ironic thread.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#5 - 2013-01-22 02:26:43 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
Ironically posting in an ironic thread.


Seriously replying to a serious reply. Thank you for your help!
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#6 - 2013-01-22 02:28:03 UTC
I'm always glad to help people worse off than me.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#7 - 2013-01-22 02:29:42 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll


IMHO t1 frig's slot layout don't really give you on option to put ECCM on their without extremely crippling your fit. And lesbihonest here, sensor strength implants and skills don't add a lot of sensor strength to frigs. Im not around me eft to confirm. Now that being said, do you run sensor strength implants and have ECCM on your frigs? And would you be upset if you were permajammed the whole fight? I would be.


Well, I am a good ECM pilot, it does not happen to me. Also yes, as a militia pilot of course i run Talons and Grails most of the time.

Point is still that THEY wanted to have the fun fight of permajamming our Merlin pilot and ganking her with 3 dps ships.


I must has misread what you said or you misspoke. Because I thought by you deciding what you were going to use against them, that you engaged them, not the other way around.

Also looking back at your lost pods, I don't see any sensor strength implants or ECCM on any of the dessies and bellow that I looked at. You must be really good and just not losing THOSE ships and pods.

And I thought the point was they cried about being permajammed, where 3 dps ships should've won against 2 dps ships, and hat merlin wouldve lost against 3 dps ships whether being jammed or not.
galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-22 03:28:26 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll



To be honest i don't see them complaining about your ECM just you in general Big smile


Maybe ask for clarification next time, it is always important to know what is at fault Blink
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#9 - 2013-01-22 07:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Dread Operative wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll


IMHO t1 frig's slot layout don't really give you on option to put ECCM on their without extremely crippling your fit. And lesbihonest here, sensor strength implants and skills don't add a lot of sensor strength to frigs. Im not around me eft to confirm. Now that being said, do you run sensor strength implants and have ECCM on your frigs? And would you be upset if you were permajammed the whole fight? I would be.


take rifter it has sensor strength 8 add low-grade jackal set with omega +7 and read ladar sensor strength compensations skill to lvl5 +3 (with implants)

so your rifters sensor strength has risen from 8 to 18 which is pretty much better than nothing.

Edit: approx jamming changes from perma jammed to 50% jammed
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#10 - 2013-01-22 09:51:54 UTC
I remember fighting Cynthia in Asghed on my own in a SFI and she brought a Omen navy and a Blackbird Roll

Seems your still a one trick pony.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2013-01-22 09:57:38 UTC
Why didn't they just warp in their projected ECCM fitted high grade grail-set implanted guardians?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-22 10:06:45 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:

take rifter it has sensor strength 8 add low-grade jackal set with omega +7 and read ladar sensor strength compensations skill to lvl5 +3 (with implants)

so your rifters sensor strength has risen from 8 to 18 which is pretty much better than nothing.

Edit: approx jamming changes from perma jammed to 50% jammed

i'm not experienced with prices....

but it looks like putting 1-2 billions into POD for reducing getting jammed from perma to 50% in frigate? Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2013-01-22 10:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
So there is a hostile frigate gang, 3 T1 frigs and one little Griffin. We only have 2 players, so I decide to fly 2 Griffins. We wipe the floor with them, as always. (yes, they were just minmatar militia, not real pvpers Bear)

But then suddenly ECM tears?!

[01:32:17] Domanique Altares > Would have been cool to actually fight you, Cynthia. Too bad you're a *****, though.

I know that most players can not comprehend sensor strength implants, and just refuse to fit ECCM, but complaining about ECM when you bring it first to field? Roll


Whow... it is now a reason to pop up a new forum thread just because someone was upset about you in local?
Looks like you really lust for peoples attention like a... (I leave it to your fantasy)
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#14 - 2013-01-22 11:17:01 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
take rifter it has sensor strength 8 add low-grade jackal set with omega +7 and read ladar sensor strength compensations skill to lvl5 +3 (with implants)

so your rifters sensor strength has risen from 8 to 18 which is pretty much better than nothing.

Edit: approx jamming changes from perma jammed to 50% jammed


With my combat Griffin fit overheated (why wouldnt you?) I was 68% jam chance on Rifter. Not including multiple jams. Either way, the fight would've been bad.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-01-22 11:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Dread Operative wrote:
Now that being said, do you run sensor strength implants and have ECCM on your frigs?

I find that even an unbonused sensor integrity link (without mindlink) can make a very real difference without requiring much sacrifice (I always carry one in my Loki/Tengu and swap one of the other links for it if I expect ECM; bringing a Proteus would be overkill if I myself am not going to run a ECM setup but carrying a spare link in your cargo is hardly any effort).

If I see the enemy bring a Falcon/Rook I just get safe until my own Falcon alt is in system.

But I guess you already knew that EVE is a game of alts...

.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#16 - 2013-01-22 12:57:22 UTC
ECM is more tear generator then other forms of ewar because target feels more rage coming out of being helpless. Recently I started using damps again and it generates same amount of **** in local. Roll
Generals4
#17 - 2013-01-22 13:25:12 UTC
Well here would be my point: is the real problem the use of an ECM alt or just an alt in general (thus only fighting 2vs1). Because if you think about it, if your opponent goes through the hassle of using an ECM alt than you should go through the hassle of using an ECCM alt. You can't really blame someone for investing in an ECM alt when you could invest in an ECCM alt.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-22 15:03:25 UTC
serious players want to win and fight no matter what it takes (these are ecm users)

other people play eve to have fun, and these people prefer to make the fight fun and interesting, these are the people who dont use ecm

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#19 - 2013-01-22 16:00:08 UTC
Na people don't use ECM for a number of reasons. I am quite serious about Eve but would never use an ECM ship, makes it too easy.

Muad 'dib wrote:
serious players want to win and fight no matter what it takes (these are ecm users)

other people play eve to have fun, and these people prefer to make the fight fun and interesting, these are the people who dont use ecm

nom nom
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#20 - 2013-01-22 17:01:07 UTC
Spur set ftw.
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