Market Discussions

If you think that is bad, you are gonna be downright horrified when you figure out what I have been doing in minerals and BC

It would rarely happen unless you were pretty unlucky.

I've thought about doing that myself with my own mineral stockpile but you know that in 5-10 minutes the mineral price will increase significantly as smaller buyers 0.01 isk the huge order ahead of them.

Haven't you noticed the considerable gaps between buy orders a trade hubs such as Jita/Amarr as a result of this and then the subsequent 0.01 isking?

I honestly have not. In any major trade hub if you attempt this someone will take advantage guarunteed. You realize the big traders in this game have stockpiles that they are just sitting on after many months of speculation based on current in-game events, for example the Blue doughnut that is about to explode, as well as upcoming changes to BC's. A few smaller buyers may fall for it...but they will not be putting up buy orders in the amounts you are talking in order to cover you're market costs, even at perfect skills (Accounting V, Broker Relations V, Social and standings needed). It may be possible if you catch someone who has a few billion isk laying around and truly has no idea what they are doing.

This is just my 2cents. Take it or leave it.
-Sin

Is not risky speculation for people like this....but the stores of minerals they have invested in for the next 5-7+ months will destroy said OP's idea.

All I am saying is...to anyone...do not do this.
-Sin

Gatecamps, bait ships, suicide ganking, ninja salvaging, corp theft, corp spies, AWOXing, lowsec courier contract traps, contract scams, margin trade scams --

Nope, I don't think market manipulation is contrary to the spirit of the game.

It's not about being unlucky, but about not knowing how to do it well. That order would stand out like a light in a tunnel and given the volume traded in minerals, it's almost normal for that order to be dumped over within minutes. Sure, some guy will have probably put 1-2 orders for 3-10M units 0.01 ISK above yours but then those 2 orders are insta-melted as somebody dumps 5B on them and goes straight down to yours like an hot knife in butter.




Yes we noticed, those are other tecniques made by people who know how to do it but better.

Dont be an isk printing machine what you are describing is. Alot of traders have large sums of isk and for one reason or another have little time to macro manage 1000's of orders. The main rule of trading in any form is buy low sell high. Following on from that a nice way of making isk with little to no effort, once you understand a bit about eve, is to look for any item that is always in demand and regularly watch it. when you feel the price is lower than it should be build up a stock pile and wait. Do this on 10-20 Items. And the items just sit there.
Also keep an eye on MD.

Every so often some post, "OMG WTF is happening with X". This is you prompt for profits. Usually the above is translated to "OMG I just spent Zillions on X and the price is now higher (no S%!& Sherlock) please buy my stuff at the higher price before the spike finishes"

Now put you stock up for sale and sell as much as you can. When the maket starts falling back to normal level, Fill as many buy orders as you can at profit and put a big stack of your stock on sale for a few % above this "normal" profitable level. Then 0.01 isk your self with smaller orders every 10 mins for a few hours every so often knocking a fraction off the profit.

Soon the market will be in freefall and soon you can rebuild your stock pile up at much cheaper prices. And then your back to waiting.


Every so often some simple minded person will enter one of your makets and try to push the price up with a hugh buy order from which you can make mad profit from and also as you just gave someone billions of items it will usually start another market crash (see above you could even help it on its way) allowing you to buy the exact same stock you just sold for less isk.

Its always good seeing someone you dump on dumping into your much reduced buy price when they want some isk back....

that is all i am saying as well.

With a product of this volume you would be better served making a small-ish order at a hightened price then creating multiple orders continually outbidding yourself while continually creating new orders. It masks your intentions and makes the impression to other traders in the market that it isn't a manipulation attempt, but rather the "new" price. People will be more willing to jump your orders if it looks like many others are doing the same. One giant order just screams a market ploy and will keep many traders away and competing for the top spot behind your order because as said before, it makes you a prime target for a stock dump.

*Edit*
That said, giant buy orders to push the market isn't overall a bad option when dealing with lower volume products if you also adjust the sells at the same time. If you know the market well enough, i.e. activity within, sellers within, global stock, influx of new stock and the ease of production then it works -as long as the giant buy is a notable % of whats currently available stock wise/volume sold in EVE. Following the giant buy with spam small orders to give the illusion of more activity within the market is usually a decently smart option because as said before, traders come when they see others doing the same. Baaa baaaa essentially.

Some idiot tried this with Mexallon last night.

They used 2 buy orders at .50 higher than mine.

I lol'd when 4 minutes later the 2 orders were gone and my order was filled.